kyredneck, here's the thread and it's on this page.
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=79858&page=5
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=79858&page=5
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Does God Learn?
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You are doing the very thing I said we cannot do...separate Christ's humanity from His deity. Why can't we just appeal to mystery on topics like this (hypostatic union, God's knowledge, etc)?
I imagine these kind of responses are found on the fruit fly's discussion forums in regards to what humans know about thermal dynamics.
yes and No!
God in the Incarnation, thru jesus Christ, became a man as we are, and so had to experience growing up/learning etc...
BUT the father/Spirit never had to learn anything, and jesus now is back to all knowing again!
The Bible gives numerous instances where He tests man. According to everyone on here wagging their heresy finger around that must not be true. I'll believe the Bible over man's reasoning. How that all works out, if He wants to reveal it to us one day He will.
Fact: Christ is 100% Man and 100% God. Saying only His humanity "learns" is to spit in the face of the hypostatic union.
Who do you think it was that appeared to Abraham?
Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
I believe it was Jesus who appeared to Abraham in the OT. I believe he had to limit himself when he did this, or Abraham would have dropped dead.
God wrestled with Jacob in Gen 32, and Jacob prevailed over God. Obviously God (Jesus) limited himself at this time. If God can limit his power as he did with Jacob, why could he not also limit his knowledge and learn in time?
Thank you Sir.
Psa 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
Yep, old king David was a heretic too. :laugh:
We are in good company :thumbs:
Hey, I'm saying it right here to your face. I am not afraid of fellows like you calling me a heretic. It is up to you to disprove the scriptures I post.
You guys are like a pack of wolves, you think you are going in for the kill, but I am one mean warthog.
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doesn't say God didn't know.... No where did David say that God didn't know something.
Any interpretation that would say he didn't know would be error as it would contradict Scripture.
1 John 3:20 says that God knows everything.
to say that God doesn't know everything would to deny is omniscience(obviously) and his immutability and his eternality.
The problem with your interpretation is that you are reading something into the text that's not there. And further more you are reading something into the text that contradicts other Scripture.
David and others repeatedly pray for God to search their hearts, the scriptures say elsewhere God searches the heart. Why would God have to search a person's heart if he already knows it?
David must not have known the doctrines of grace.
What does the word "search" mean? Why does a person search?
It is only a paradox and conflicting to us. You are approaching this subject using human logic. He (nor I) read anything into the texts, we accept them at face value and don't try to explain them away using ignorance (not an attack on you or anyone...we are all ignorant on understanding that which is not understandable).
First of all, 1 John 3:20 says that God knows everything.
We search because we don't know something. Does that mean God doesn't know something? No, as it would contradict I John 3:20.
Actually, you guys are approaching using human logic. Winman is looking at "search" only through human understanding....how he would search and why he would have to search. You are reading something into the text. Do the text say God doesn't know something? No. So when one says that God doesn't know something he is reading into the text. I'm approaching using biblical truth. (I John 3:20, God knows everything).
Now, I agree it's very difficult for us to understand. But for God to not know something, and then know it, would mean that he doesn't have all knowledge. It would mean he's not eternal.
I agree with you that we are all "ignorant" on many issues because the Bible doesn't say everything about everything. There are things that God has chosen to not reveal to us yet. However on this issue, we are told that God knows everything. Saying God doesn't know something because he "searches our hearts" is to read something unbiblical into the text.
1Ch 28:9 "And you, Solomon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a whole heart and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches all hearts and understands every plan and thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will cast you off forever.
God did not portray Himself to have learned anything. God knows the mind and hearts of His creation. After all He created creation. He knows how it works better than anyone else.
To say that God learned something about Abraham is in direct conflict with the above passage. And no where in scripture does it suggest that God while sitting on His throne limits himself so that He can or will learn something He did not already know.
God asked Adam where he was. In both cases God was communicating with man in a way man would respond to Him correctly. God wanted Adam to admit he was in hiding and God wanted Abraham to learn something about having faith in Him.
So again the idea that Abraham knew something about himself before God knew it about Abraham is absurd and in clear and direct conflict with the above passage.
God did not portray Himself to have learned anything. God knows the mind and hearts of His creation. After all He created creation. He knows how it works better than anyone else.
To say that God learned something about Abraham is in direct conflict with the above passage. And no where in scripture does it suggest that God while sitting on His throne limits himself so that He can or will learn something He did not already know.
God asked Adam where he was. In both cases God was communicating with man in a way man would respond to Him correctly. God wanted Adam to admit he was in hiding and God wanted Abraham to learn something about having faith in Him.
So again the idea that Abraham knew something about himself before God knew it about Abraham is absurd and in clear and direct conflict with the above passage.
So now we have to redefine words like "search" and "test" that God decided to use to communicate to us?
I have also approached it biblically. I agree He is omniscient...and I also agree that HE says He relents, searches, repents, tests, etc without redefining what these words mean.
Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; his understanding is infinite (Psalm 147:5).
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things (1 John 3:20).
Known to God from eternity are all his works (Acts 15:18).
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and his ways past finding out (Romans 11:33).
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good (Proverbs 15:3).
Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond measure (Psalm 147:5).
Do you know the balance of the clouds, those wondrous works of him who is perfect in knowledge (Job 37:16).
Can anyone teach God knowledge, in that he judges those on high? (Job 21:22).
For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became his counselor? (Romans 11:34).
For he knows those who are worthless, and he sees iniquity without investigating (Job 11:11).
Declares the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, ‘My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all my good pleasure (Isaiah 46:10).
For my eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from my face, nor is their iniquity concealed from my eyes (Jeremiah 16:17).
Does he who implanted the ear not hear? Does he who formed the eye not see? (Psalm 94:9).
There are more, but this is a good start.
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things (1 John 3:20).
Known to God from eternity are all his works (Acts 15:18).
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and his ways past finding out (Romans 11:33).
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good (Proverbs 15:3).
Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond measure (Psalm 147:5).
Do you know the balance of the clouds, those wondrous works of him who is perfect in knowledge (Job 37:16).
Can anyone teach God knowledge, in that he judges those on high? (Job 21:22).
For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became his counselor? (Romans 11:34).
For he knows those who are worthless, and he sees iniquity without investigating (Job 11:11).
Declares the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, ‘My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all my good pleasure (Isaiah 46:10).
For my eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from my face, nor is their iniquity concealed from my eyes (Jeremiah 16:17).
Does he who implanted the ear not hear? Does he who formed the eye not see? (Psalm 94:9).
There are more, but this is a good start.
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