Does God love everyone?

[Internet Theologian]

I thought that by asking you a question, the answer to yours would be self evident.

Grandstanding again.

But to entertain your questions:

"Entertain?" You must have meant misrepresent, misquote and misunderstand:

1. Does God love those He does not chastise? What makes you think that God does not "chastise?" ...

He never said nor did he suggest anything of the sort.

 

[MB]

So you think, based on 1 Timothy 2:4,that all people will be saved?!How long have you been a Universalist?

Pro 29:22 An angry man stirreth up strife, and a furious man aboundeth in transgression.

Not quite.You don't believe God can override the powerful human will?!

1Ch_28:9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

2Co_8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

Do you believe Romans 9:18 :"Therefore God has mercy on whom he he wants to have mercy,and he hardens whom he wants to harden."

Yes
I believe in the Bible and not what you try to make it say with your false interpretations. You tend to take one verse and retranslate into to something else. Just like the J.W.'S

Scripture is against you all the way.God is Sovereign.He does whatever pleases Him.Everything He does is just.He could choose not to have mercy on anyone.Instead, He chose to have mercy on some --His elect.He does not have mercy on all as the Bible is against that notion.

LOL You are really funny Rippon. God is almighty yet that does not mean that He is how you describe. Your definition of "sovereign" is your own. You accuse me of being a universalist and you your self follow the father of it "Augustine". That's a contradiction of your self. By the way the word Sovereign isn't found in scripture. And the way you define it clearly shows you intend to make it say what it clearly doesn't.

Do you think only some Jewish people are the elect?!Of course not!God has His elect scattered among all races,tribes,nations and languages.Most of the elect are from the Gentiles.

. Only those from the tribe of Juda are elect and not all of them will be saved because they rejected the Lord Jesus Christ. Something scripture clearly states and you deny it claiming all those who are elect will be saved.

You claim I haven't learned anything from you but your wrong. I've learned that I do not want to be anything like you at all. You are a very angry person who lashes out at people who disagree with you. You have no love for anyone who would disagree with you. Just like the Pharisee's your so busy accusing others you don't have time to do anything else.

How long have you believed this stuff?

God's word is much more than "stuff" as you call it. Your ridicule of what I believe will only bring me reward.

Romans 8:29,30 :"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son,that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.And those he predestined,he also called;those he called,he also justified;those he justified,he also glorified."

I have bought into Romans 8:29,30.You don't like it,so you try to spin it to your ends.But again,that Golden Chain is unbreakable.No one of those whom the Lord foreknows,predestined,called,justified and glorified can resist His Sovereign will.They don't want to.They love Him who died for them.

BTW,in Romans 8:29 the NLTse has "For God knew his people in advance..."The REB has :"For those whom God knew before they ever were..."

I believe in scripture and not what you say about it..
MB

 

[agedman]

Grandstanding again.[/I]



"Entertain?" You must have meant misrepresent, misquote and misunderstand:

He never said nor did he suggest anything of the sort.

No, he said it in the assumption that God does not chastise those he does not love. I corrected the assumption, because I consider the assumption is attempting to support what is not supportable.

By stating that God does chastises, it follows that the chastisement is an extension of His love. Therefore, the assumption that "Does God love those He does not chastise" is not a statement of credibility.

Perhaps you can give an answer to the question that I asked of Rippon?
Does God require from the believer what He does not of Himself?
"love your enemies."

Surely, there are those of note who would (as shown by a quote by Jay Adams) make the claim that God does not love all humankind. I disagree.

If one agrees, then God is certainly requiring of the believer what He does not require or demonstrate as characteristic of Himself.

 

[Rippon]

the word Sovereign isn't found in scripture.

Wrong MB.
In the NLT the word "sovereign" occurs 291 times.
In the NIV ________________________ 297 times
In the NET ________________________368 times

 

[Rippon]

Yes
I believe in the Bible and not what you try to make it say with your false interpretations. You tend to take one verse and retranslate into to something else. Just like the J.W.'S

That's typical MB stuff.

I had quoted Romans 9:18 :Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

I had asked if you believed it because from your posts you seemed to oppose the doctrine. I believe what the Word of God says. God does not show mercy to every single person. He mercies those whom He wants and hardens those He so desires. If you differ then you are in opposition to Holy Writ.

You accuse me of being a universalist

It's hard to get around your statements favoring that position.

and you yourself follow the father of it "Augustine". That's a contradiction of your self.

You make the claim that I follow Augustine. I have not said it. I do think many of his works are quite valuable. And I think a number are in error.

Please support your charge that Augustine was the "father of universalism." He believed in particular redemption and biblical election. Therefore, he certainly was opposed to universalism.

. Only those from the tribe of Juda are elect and not all of them will be saved because they rejected the Lord Jesus Christ.

You are in La La land.

Something scripture clearly states and you deny it claiming all those who are elect will be saved.

I do believe that all the elect will be saved. If you are a believer you are elect. What's your problem with that?

God's word is much more than "stuff" as you call it. Your ridicule of what I believe will only bring me reward.

You had said;"after all, if you have been foreknown of God then you must be a Jew."

I then asked in response :"How long you have believed this stuff?" I had asked the question because your words have no foundation in the Word of God.

 

[MB]

Wrong MB.
In the NLT the word "sovereign" occurs 291 times.
In the NIV ________________________ 297 times
In the NET ________________________368 times

I see well in that case throw them away because they aren't scripture but paraphrase's

 

[Rippon]

I see well in that case throw them away because they aren't scripture but paraphrase's[sic]

You see, but you don't see. That reminds me of some other verses.

 

[MB]

That's typical MB stuff.

I had quoted Romans 9:18 :Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden


I had asked if you believed it because from your posts you seemed to oppose the doctrine. I believe what the Word of God says. God does not show mercy to every single person. He mercies those whom He wants and hardens those He so desires. If you differ then you are in opposition to Holy Writ.

I believe all scripture but as a whole not like a one verse Charlie who get's his whole doctrine from a few passages instead of the whole.

It's hard to get around your statements favoring that position.

I'm not getting around my position. I quoted scripture Here it is again.

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Then you falsely accuse me of being what you clearly are. A universalist Don't you believe what is said in !st Tim 2:4. Of course you don't because you don't believe all of the Bible do you?

You make the claim that I follow Augustine. I have not said it. I do think many of his works are quite valuable. And I think a number are in error..

He is still a universalist and so are you because you just admitted it. The same is true of Calvin. He loved Augustine. So do you I've read your post as well.

Please support your charge that Augustine was the "father of universalism." He believed in particular redemption and biblical election. Therefore, he certainly was opposed to universalism.

Yet he authored the Catholic Faith. Catholic means universal

You are in La La land.

I do believe that all the elect will be saved. If you are a believer you are elect. What's your problem with that?

I'm chosen for Salvation that does not mean I;m a member of the elect Jews or even that I have replaced them as you obviously do..There has never been a Gentile called elect.
Yet another reason I do not want to be like you.

You had said;"after all, if you have been foreknown of God then you must be a Jew."

I then asked in response :"How long you have believed this stuff?" I had asked the question because your words have no foundation in the Word of God.

I don't remember saying the first line of this quote.
I know what you mean example !st Tim 2:4. My God given foundation disproving your garb about God not loving all men. and not wanting all men to be saved.
None of your particular brand of Calvinism has any foundation in the word of God
There is no comparison in what I believe and what you believe. I've tried to explain it to you but you reject it. You hate me for telling you about it you're afraid I'm right..

You know I believe there are Calvinist who are saved. I've met quite a few. All we have to do is believe. Salvation that is true Salvation changes a man and makes him more like Christ. You on the other hand do not display any Christian attitude at all. You may think you act like a Christian but believe me you don't. I do not see any Christ Likeness in you. Just hatred and vengeance and a sad attempt at domination.
MB

 

[Rippon]

I see well in that case throw them away because they aren't scripture but paraphrase's

Those three are translations of the orginal languages of Scripture. For you to deny that is not only completely wacky, but in violation of the rules of the BB.

 

[Rippon]

I believe all scripture but as a whole not like a one verse Charlie who get's his whole doctrine from a few passages instead of the whole.

You know the above is entirely false. Take a look at the many passages I have brought up in this thread alone. But by pretending that I deal with just a handful of verses is so juvenile. You very well know how dishonest you are.

Then you falsely accuse me of being what you clearly are. A universalist

Since I believe that Christ died only for His elect, how could I possibly be a Universalist?

Don't you believe what is said in !st Tim 2:4.

In context, yes. I will explain that inmy next post.

Of course you don't because you don't believe all of the Bible do you?

Back to your old antics.

Tell me, do you believe that God hates some people?
If you don't, then you are in opposition to God's Word.

Do you believe that we should tell everyone we come into contact with evangelistically that Christ died for that person and that God loves them?
If you agree, then you are in opposition to God's Word.

He is still a universalist and so are you because you just admitted it.

What post are you responding to --certainly not my post #305. I somehow admitted that Augustine was a Universalist, and that I somehow admitted it?! That's crazy MB. I said nothing of the kind. Re-read my post.

The same is true of Calvin. He loved Augustine.

So the trio of Augustine, Calvin and myself are considered Universalists by the esteemed theologian MB. Well sure, that makes sense. :-O

Yet he authored the Catholic Faith.

I hereby order you to go forthwith to a well-stocked Church History library.

I'm chosen for Salvation that does not mean I;m a member of the elect Jews or even that I have replaced them as you obviously do..There has never been a Gentile called elect.
Yet another reason I do not want to be like you.

Hmm..deep. You are aware that Paul was sent to the Gentiles, right? His Epistles are written to largely Gentile believers. Do you believe that Ephesians 1:4,5 also applies to you? Do you believe that Romans 8:28-39 applies to you? Is that an encouraging promise for you? In verse 33 Paul writes : Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? Who are the chosen MB? Yes, that's right --the elect. Nothing will separate us from the love of Christ. It does not refer to the elect and the non-elect --but only to the elect.

Have you made your calling and election sure? as 2 Peter 1:10 enjoins us to do? And of course 2 Cor. 13:5 is related to the former.

None of your particular brand of Calvinism has any foundation in the word of God

You are just trying your best to bad-mouth me because you have no argument.

There is no comparison in what I believe and what you believe.

It's more of a contrast.

 

[Rippon]

This post is regarding 1 Timothy 2:4-6. Since MB claims he doesn't believe my form of Calvinism I will quote another's exposition of the text. This is from By His Grace and for His Glory by Thomas J. Nettles (with a very slight modification).

The phases "all people to be saved" (v.4) and "ransom for all people" (v.6) pose the reputed problem here. The "therefore" of verse 1 picks up the entire argument of 1 Timothy 1, wherein the law is related to the ungodly (vv. 5-10) and the commission of Paul as apostle to the Gentiles and protector of the purity of the gospel (vv.11-20). The request for prayers "for all people" (2:1) refers to people in all kinds of authoriative positions, for the specific purpose of maintaining external peace and quiet so that God's people might enjoy opportunity for the proper development of godliness and honesty. Thus, the application of law to civil societry by the authorities, for whom Christains should pray, becomes the application of 1:5-10. The "all people" and "all people" of 2:4,6 constitute the fulfillment of Jesus' ministry into the world to save sinners and the justification of Paul's mission to the Gentiles (2:7). Jesus' death to save sinners is for Gentiles as well as Jew; otherwise, Paul has no justification, for his minsrty. "All," therefore, need not refer to each and every individual who ever lived (many of whom were already suffering the wrath of God but only to many people from all nations. (pgs. 2:29,30).

 

[DHK]

I thought that by asking you a question, the answer to yours would be self evident.

But to entertain your questions:

1. Does God love those He does not chastise? What makes you think that God does not "chastise?" Seems that the Scriptures show that God brings rebuke to all humankind as the "wages" demand payment. Did He not cast out those in the temple?
   
2. Does God love those who do not fear Him? What makes you think that God does not? Was there a time you did not fear Him? Did He love you in spite of that lack of fear?
3. Does God love those to whom He will say on the Final Day --I never knew you? That is an interesting question. Can one love those that one does not know? If not, why support missionaries? Is love constrained by who someone knows? A child still in the womb is loved, but do the parents actually "know" the child - experiential speaking?
   
4. Does God love those in eternal perdition? He provided a place for them didn't he? He reminds them continually of their condition and what the rejection they presented to God is now condemned them - just as the rich man's statement of his condition. This may not seem like love because human kind tend to consider love only with positive outcomes and pie in the sky terms.

Now, answer my question as you said you would.
Does God require from the believer what He does not of Himself? "love your enemies."

Good post. It doesn't seem Rippon has an answer for it.

 

[Rippon]

Does God love those He does not chastise? What makes you think that God does not "chastise?" Seems that the Scriptures show that God brings rebuke to all humankind as the "wages" demand payment. Did He not cast out those in the temple/

God chastises or disciplines His own children --not everyone outside the family of God.
Rev. 3:19 : Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline.
Heb. 12:5-11 : And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses his son?It says,
My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
because the lord disciplines the one he loves
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his child.
Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children.
For what children are not disciplined by their father?
If you are not disciplined --and everyone undergoes discipline
--then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all.
Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and
we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the
Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they
thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may
share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful.
Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those
who have been trained by it.

The Lord's discipline or chastisement is for His own children. It means one belongs to God in
counterdistinction to those who He does not discipline.

Does God love those who do not fear Him?

What makes you think that God does not? Was there a time you did not fear Him? Did He love you in spite of that lack of fear?

God loves the elect before they are made regenerate. But for those who remain in their reprobate state He does not love them. One who lives a life never fearing God? Then God's love is not in them.

I looked through the book of Acts and found many expressions such as "God-fearing Jews" --"God-fearing Gentiles" --"God-fearing Greeks" "God-fearing women" "God-fearing man". No, those outside of God all their lives are not loved of God.

Does God love those to whom He will say on the Final Day --I never knew you

? That is an interesting question. Can one love those that one does not know? If not, why support missionaries? Is love constrained by who someone knows? A child still in the womb is loved, but do the parents actually "know" the child - experiential speaking?

It is beyond question that those whom the Lord is said to not know are not loved by God. To know is an intimacy. Those who are not so regarded by the Lord are hated by God.

Does God love those in eternal perdition?

He provided a place for them didn't he? He reminds them continually of their condition and what the rejection they presented to God is now condemned them - just as the rich man's statement of his condition. This may not seem like love because human kind tend to consider love only with positive outcomes and pie in the sky terms.

You say He provided a place for them. I had to laugh (and still am laughing). No, He doesn't love them. He hates them as much as He hates Satan and his demons.

Does God require from the believer what He does not of Himself? "love your enemies."

Does God require us to be jealous? God is jealous, but His jealousy is entirely pure.
God revels in His glory. Does God require us to have ourselves as the first priority in our lives? Of course not. But God thinks of Himself first and foremost --He is self-centered in the most appropriate sense of the term. He can't requre that of ourselves.

God has loved us when we were still enemies with Him. but Scripture doesn't say He has love for every single person who is his enemy throughout their lifetime.

There are many verses in Scripture stating that God hates some people. Therefore He does not love all.

John Owen (1616-1683) "We deny that all mankind are the object of that love of God."
Herman Witsius (1636-1708) "He therefore separates from himself, and from his chosen people, all he cannot make partakers of his favour; and so he cannot but inflict upon them that punishment which is the effect of his hatred."
Robert Haldane (1754-1842) "Nothing, then, is said of Esau but that might not be said of every man who shall finally perish."

 

[MB]

This post is regarding 1 Timothy 2:4-6. Since MB claims he does believe my form of Calvinism I will quote another's exposition of the text. This is from By His Grace and for His Glory by Thomas J. Nettles (with a very slight modification
.

You are a liar I have never agreed with you on any thing You are just a clanging symbol. Making noise

The phases "all people to be saved" (v.4) and "ransom for all people" (v.6) pose the reputed problem here. The "therefore" of verse 1 picks up the entire argument of 1 Timothy 1, wherein the law is related to the ungodly (vv. 5-10) and the commission of Paul as apostle to the Gentiles and protector of the purity of the gospel (vv.11-20). The request for prayers "for all people" (2:1) refers to people in all kinds of authoriative positions, for the specific purpose of maintaining external peace and quiet so that God's people might enjoy opportunity for the proper development of godliness and honesty. Thus, the application of law to civil societry by the authorities, for whom Christains should pray, becomes the application of 1:5-10. The "all people" and "all people" of 2:4,6 constitute the fulfillment of Jesus' ministry into the world to save sinners and the justification of Paul's mission to the Gentiles (2:7). Jesus' death to save sinners is for Gentiles as well as Jew; otherwise, Paul has no justification, for his minsrty. "All," therefore, need not refer to each and every individual who ever lived (many of whom were already suffering the wrath of God but only to many people from all nations. (pgs. 2:29,30).

Here you go trying to make scripture favor you J.W. view Your misspelled words show your inability to use the spell check and your lack of education.
MB

 

[MB]

You know the above is entirely false. Take a look at the many passages I have brought up in this thread alone. But by pretending that I deal with just a handful of verses is so juvenile. You very well know how dishonest you are.

No it isn't false. You must have a hard time reading.and understanding what you read.

Since I believe that Christ died only for His elect, how could I possibly be a Universalist?

You're are a warm over Catholic

In context, yes. I will explain that inmy next post.

Don't bother your distorted view isn't worth while reading..

Back to your old antics.

Tell me, do you believe that God hates some people?
If you don't, then you are in opposition to God's Word

Then
Your the one in opposition to God's word. If He doesn't Love everyone then why did He say;.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Do you believe that we should tell everyone we come into contact with evangelistically that Christ died for that person and that God loves them?
If you agree, then you are in opposition to God's Word.

Your distorted view of God's Holy Word. Christ said;

Mar_16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

What post are you responding to --certainly not my post #305. I somehow admitted that Augustine was a Universalist, and that I somehow admitted it?! That's crazy MB. I said nothing of the kind. Re-read my post.

The way I read it you dd.

So the trio of Augustine, Calvin and myself are considered Universalists by the esteemed theologian MB. Well sure, that makes sense. :-O

I can't believe it we agree

I hereby order you to go forthwith to a well-stocked Church History library.

Hmm..deep. You are aware that Paul was sent to the Gentiles, right? His Epistles are written to largely Gentile believers. Do you believe that Ephesians 1:4,5 also applies to you? Do you believe that Romans 8:28-39 applies to you? Is that an encouraging promise for you? In verse 33 Paul writes : Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? Who are the chosen MB? Yes, that's right --the elect. Nothing will separate us from the love of Christ. It does not refer to the elect and the non-elect --but only to the elect.

Have you made your calling and election sure? as 2 Peter 1:10 enjoins us to do? And of course 2 Cor. 13:5 is related to the former.

You are just trying your best to bad-mouth me because you have no argument.


It's more of a contrast.

I thank God I don't believe in your false doctrine.
MB

 

[agedman]

God chastises or disciplines His own children --not everyone outside the family of God.

So, perhaps some do not look at the rebuke one has for sinful living, and ultimately the hell, and the lake of fire as chastisement.

Did God not send Jonah to Nineveh? Why? Was there in that city those that were "outside the family of God?" Or what of Babylon? What of Jerusalem, Sodom, Gomorrah, Jerico, Ai, Egypt?

God often brought chastisement upon those that were "outside the family" throughout the Scriptures.

God loves the elect before they are made regenerate. But for those who remain in their repobate state He does not love them. One who lives a life never fearing God? Then God's love is not in them.

Scripture please.

You are assuming that God doesn't love whom He demands believers to love.

I looked through the book of Acts and found many expressions such as "God-fearing Jews" --"God-fearing Gentiles" --"God-fearing Greeks" "God-fearing women" "God-fearing man". No, those outside of God all their lives are not loved of God.

So, because you didn't find it, then the demand by Christ to "love your enemies" is invalidated?

It is beyond question that those whom the Lord is said to not know are not loved by God. To know is an intimacy. Those who are not so regarded by the Lord are hated by God.

Here is a difficulty in what you present.

If one holds as value the statement above, then it in some respect diminishes the authority of God to intimately be acquainted with even the thoughts of a person before they are even thought, and every motive and agenda of all the Creation. He would have some how missed that Satan had iniquity in the heart, for he would have not known because God (according to you) doesn't love outside of His family.

I remind you that embrace the Doctrines of Grace, but in a modified form. This is one of the areas in which I consider that the fore folks got it wrong because (as was with some) the times they lived were as reactionary as could ever be found. So some statements of belief must be a product of the times and yet there are those theologians who would attempt to bring such into application irregardless of the truth and in direct opposition to the Scriptures.

This is why though I embrace the Doctrines of Grace, I also am unashamed to say that I do so in a modified form. I take Scriptures at face value. When the Scriptures say, God is Love, then God is love. When the Scriptures say, love your enemies, then the God in heaven must certainly love His enemies, too.

One cannot cling to some human construction that violates the core of the personality of God, and expect that construction to be correct.

You say He provided a place for them. I had to laugh (and still am laughing). No, He doesn't love them. He hates them as much as He hates Satan and his demons.

Satan is the father of all lies. There is judgment prepared for Satan and all of his. Would you show scripture that God hates Satan? Does not God's love provided justice and truth, and in justice and truth certainly God provided a place for those that follow the father of lies and the father of lies?

Such does not diminish the love of God, but shows that character of love that must also extend through the believer when He expressed we are to love our enemies. Therefore, the believer can resolutely show care and concern (even love) and yet understand that sinful behavior has consequences. That the enemy, though loved, will suffer.

Does God require us to be jealous? God is jealous, but His jealousy is entirely pure.
God revels in His glory. Does God require us to have ourselves as the first priority in our lives? Of course not. But God thinks of Himself first and foremost --He is self-centered in the most appropriate sense of the term. He can't requre that of ourselves.

That God is a jealous God is towards folks placing idols made of creation above Him. It is not that God is "self-centered." God wants folks to place Him in the appropriate relationship to all the creation - as the creator. That is not "self-centered."

God has loved us when we were still enemies with Him. but Scripture doesn't say He has love for every single person who is his enemy throughout their lifetime.

Then you make Christ a liar, by requiring of believers what God does not do, Himself.

There are many verses in Scripture stating that God hates some people. Therefore He does not love all.

Really? Perhaps you should list some. And then prove that believers should not love when Christ states that we are to love - even our enemies.

"Jacob I loved, Esau I hated." is showing that God placed the younger over the older, not that God despised in the manner of hate some would assign. Some would assign hate as detest, rather the word "hate" can also mean "love less." I hate liver, and love steak. It isn't that I "detest" liver, but that in comparison to steak, there is little favor shown.

Jacob I loved, and Esau I loved less" is just as accurate a translation.

As a scholar, you should know this.

John Owen (1616-1683) "We deny that all mankind are the object of that love of God."
Herman Witsius (1636-1708) "He therefore separates from himself, and from his chosen people, all he cannot make partakers of his favour; and so he cannot but inflict upon them that punishment which is the effect of his hatred."
Robert Haldane (1754-1842) "Nothing, then, is said of Esau but that might not be said of every man who shall finally perish."

You can quote old dead theologians until the sun goes down. But that doesn't change the facts.

"God is love" Christ said, "Love your enemies..."

Therefore, it is expected that the believer as an emulation of God is to follow the righteousness of God and love whom He loves - even the enemies.

Until you can demonstrate either God requiring something of the believer that He does not require of Himself, or that Christ lied, was saying what He said, or in some manner discredit what He said, then it remains that the character of God is Love and that He loves even His enemies and believers are to emulate that character.

 

[DHK]

Does God require us to be jealous? God is jealous, but His jealousy is entirely pure.
God revels in His glory. Does God require us to have ourselves as the first priority in our lives? Of course not. But God thinks of Himself first and foremost --He is self-centered in the most appropriate sense of the term. He can't requre that of ourselves.

God has loved us when we were still enemies with Him. but Scripture doesn't say He has love for every single person who is his enemy throughout their lifetime.

There are many verses in Scripture stating that God hates some people. Therefore He does not love all.

John Owen (1616-1683) "We deny that all mankind are the object of that love of God."
Herman Witsius (1636-1708) "He therefore separates from himself, and from his chosen people, all he cannot make partakers of his favour; and so he cannot but inflict upon them that punishment which is the effect of his hatred."
Robert Haldane (1754-1842) "Nothing, then, is said of Esau but that might not be said of every man who shall finally perish."

Just opinion and the philosophy of men. Notice that no scripture is quoted.

 

[Rippon]

You are a liar I have never agreed with you on any thing You are just a clanging symbol. Making noise

MB, I had simply made a typo that I have since corrected. You get hot under the collar for nothing. You'd better watch your blood pressure.

Here you go trying to make scripture favor you J.W. view.

I had quoted Tom Nettles. Any reasonable person could tell it has absolutely nothing to do with the beliefs of the JWs.

 

[Rippon]

• Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity," ​
• Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates." ​
• Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them." ​
• Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil,
  19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."​
• Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."​

Marcia, in post 30 above, posted some relevant Scripture.

 

[Rippon]

You're are a warm over [sic]Catholic

Don't bother your distorted view isn't worth while reading..

Your the one in opposition to God's word. If He doesn't Love everyone then why did He say;.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

I've already covered that.

Christ said;

Mar_16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

I agree wholeheartedly with the above, but especially as it is expressed in Matthew 28:18-20.

Nothing in all that I have posted would leave any reader of my posts to believe that I do not believe in the Great Commission.

I can't believe it we agree

We do not agree. I was using sarcasm,but I guess it went over your head.

I thank God I don't believe in your false doctrine.

I had referenced Scripture :Ephesians 1:4,5;Romans 8:28-39;2 Cor. 13:5 and 2 Peter 1:10.
I had asked you specific questions about each. If, in fact, you believe those passages --why do you rail against me for holding to them?