Does God need to be worshipped?

"If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today. The Children of Abraham"

We believe this today! and you are right. this is the most compelling evidence of that. In fact, no Jew would say that we worship the same God. They vohemetly deny the Son and the Spirit. You do not worship our God unless you worship the Trinity as a whole. I am going to look later and dig up a nice article written from some Rabbi someplace where he says, "you cannot be a Christian and a Jew." Jews worship Satan! So do Muslims! They are not children of God. read for yourselves.

31To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
33They answered him, "We are Abraham's descendants[2] and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"
34Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father.[3] "
39"Abraham is our father," they answered.
"If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would[4] 40 do the things Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father does."
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."

The Children of the Devil

42Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

In fact, I would say that this applies to all of you athiests. You do not hear the word of God because you are not children of God but children of Satan.

To God the glory!

tulpje
(little tulip)

[ March 06, 2002, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: tulpje ]

 

I didn't say it. Luther didn't say it. Jesus Christ himself said it!!

 

Why the hostility to chekmate? Starting with Barnabas, most of the replies were hostile and Barnabas was a bit threatening, as much as a moderator can be threatening. Was chekmate's question meant to "bait" anyone? Depends on how you define it, I suppose. But surely Barnabas and others should be able to defend their faith without closing off debate and without making a poster feel guilty about raising a point for discussion. On the other hand, if what you want is to drive away anyone who disagrees with your viewpoints, and to avoid having to deal with questions, then the approach that Barnabas uses serves that purpose.

It is interesting to compare the reactions of the moderators here with those of a muslim forum where I post. Muslims have a reputation (well deserved, I believe) of being highly intolerant of other religions and other viewpoints. Yet on their forum, I have had far less difficulty posting pro-American and Pro-christian viewpoints that I have had posting anything here that is outside of the Baptist orthodoxy. I think that the hostility often shown by Christians, towards other viewpoints, even Christian viewpoints, ultimately does a disservice to Christianity. It just does not look good in my opinion. I suspect that even this post will probably be removed because I dared to be critical of a moderator.

 

So - I'll just give it away then, shall I? No point in even contemplating the possibility of the Christian faith, because I'm a child of Satan, not a child of God. No point in anyone here witnessing to me, because I will never hear their witness, because I'm a child of Satan.

Listen, petal - I'm an atheist. The only difference between me and you is that I worship one less God than you do. You and I share the same attitude to Vishnu, Zeus and all other gods. We have more in common than you think! As an atheist, it is possible, however unlikely, that I may one day "see the light". Others on this board have suggested that I haven't personally heard from God yet, but I may/will when God's ready. Fair enough.

But you've blown all that away now. Apparently there's no hope for me at all - not because I lack a belief in God (which could be changed in future), but because I'm a child of Satan and beyond saving.

 

Romans 6
3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Through baptism we are reborn children of God!
Acts 2

38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."

The promise is for you and your children!

 

tulpje, several people here are doing you the courtesy of responding to your posts with their own thoughts, words and reasoning. Others are regular quoters of the Bible, but they do so in context and take the trouble to explain their reasoning in relation to the quoted passages.

Perhaps you could show some respect and do the same, instead of just continually quoting the Bible at us.