Does James disprove Free Will?

[just-want-peace]

The word for preaching the gospel = announcing. Never offering as though a job offer. As soon as you make it a job offer it cannot save. The person accepting the offer assumes they save themselves.

Now this is one of the most asinine statements I've ever read!!
Personally, I have accepted this offer, and I have never “assumes they save themselves”!!!
All I did was accept what Christ offered - I did nothing to SAVE myself EXCEPT ACCEPT God’s offer.
You should be ashamed to claim ASSUMPTIONS as regards other people - very UN-Christ like seems to me!!

 

[AustinC]

Now this is one of the most asinine statements I've ever read!!
Personally, I have accepted this offer, and I have never “assumes they save themselves”!!!
All I did was accept what Christ offered - I did nothing to SAVE myself EXCEPT ACCEPT God’s offer.
You should be ashamed to claim ASSUMPTIONS as regards other people - very UN-Christ like seems to me!!

Except, God's gracious salvation is not an offer for you to accept or reject. It is a placement upon your life. It is a very specific gift from God to you, which you cannot reject or accept. It is given to you (actually against your human will) and when the gift is given to you, it changes your life and faith activated the entire process of repentance and sanctification.
The assinine thing to add is "I did nothing to SAVE myself EXCEPT ACCEPT God’s offer."
In your statement you admit to a working of your will to accomplish a goal that would not have been accomplished had you not personally done something.
My contention is that God will save you despite the fact that you, by nature, are running away from him as he seeks you out. Did not God seek out Adam and Eve and cloth them with the skins of an animal? Did not God promise them that their offspring would crush the serpent's head? Did not God do this with zero concern as to whether Adam and Eve "accepted" it or not?

 

[atpollard]

Now this is one of the most asinine statements I've ever read!!
Personally, I have accepted this offer, and I have never “assumes they save themselves”!!!
All I did was accept what Christ offered - I did nothing to SAVE myself EXCEPT ACCEPT God’s offer.
You should be ashamed to claim ASSUMPTIONS as regards other people - very UN-Christ like seems to me!!

Why are you saved and others still unsaved? Both heard the gospel. What is the difference between you going to heaven and another going to hell?

 

[1689Dave]

Now this is one of the most asinine statements I've ever read!!
Personally, I have accepted this offer, and I have never “assumes they save themselves”!!!
All I did was accept what Christ offered - I did nothing to SAVE myself EXCEPT ACCEPT God’s offer.
You should be ashamed to claim ASSUMPTIONS as regards other people - very UN-Christ like seems to me!!

Here's what is at stake. Jesus says whoever believes has eternal life. If you must choose to believe it's because you don't believe. Choosing to believe is a work of the flesh trying to gain acceptance with God.

 

[HankD]

be happy if you are able to believe because eternal life is forthcoming.

 

[just-want-peace]

OK!
Just realize that y'all are telling any non-believer that it's not their fault if they die & go to hell, as God is making the choice for them; they have no choice in the matter!!!! {First time I ever heard that ACCEPTING a gift was WORK!!!}
No reason for them consider whether there is any truth to this teaching of a sacrifice for their sins, as this is fore-ordained & they have no say in the matter.

I am through with this - - - - - thread!

 

[AustinC]

OK!
Just realize that y'all are telling any non-believer that it's not their fault if they die & go to hell, as God is making the choice for them; they have no choice in the matter!!!! {First time I ever heard that ACCEPTING a gift was WORK!!!}
No reason for them consider whether there is any truth to this teaching of a sacrifice for their sins, as this is fore-ordained & they have no say in the matter.

I am through with this - - - - - thread!

This is a false conclusion on your part.
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." The issue isn't in the fault. We all should justly die in condemnation because of our sins.
However, you seem to condemn God if he acts as a Sovereign King who has absolute authority to choose to pardon sin or not choose to pardon sin.
Why do you have such a hatred against God being fully Sovereign while you are a condemned sinner on death row? Was Jesus evil because He chose to save one thief on the cross, but chose not to save the other thief? Do you think the repentant thief saved himself by choosing to believe in Jesus? I tell you that the repentant thief believed precisely because God chose to save him and bring him to repentance.
Please, let us stop lifting up humans, especially ourselves. We are wretched animals. Even as Christians there is nothing good about us. If we were not immersed (baptized)i the holiness and purity that is Christ Jesus, we would be an utter stench before God. Don't ever lose sight of your wretchedness. Never accept the demonic lie that you harbor good in your heart. You don't. And neither do I. Apart from the mercy and grace of God, I am doomed.

 

[Salty]

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[just-want-peace]

OK, I lied!! I am going to make one more post, & then I'm gone.
First, I apologize for the tone of my post -- not for the content, but only for the way I presented it, as I could/should have been more Christ-like !!

AustinC sez: "--Was Jesus evil because He chose to save one thief on the cross, but chose not to save the other thief? Do you think the repentant thief saved himself by choosing to believe in Jesus? I tell you that the repentant thief believed precisely because God chose to save him and bring him to repentance."

1 What is your proof that Jesus CHOSE one over the other, as opposed to each thief making his own choice?
2 No one is saying he saved himself - - all he did was accept what Jesus offered!

 

[timtofly]

OK, I lied!! I am going to make one more post, & then I'm gone.
First, I apologize for the tone of my post -- not for the content, but only for the way I presented it, as I could/should have been more Christ-like !!

AustinC sez: "--Was Jesus evil because He chose to save one thief on the cross, but chose not to save the other thief? Do you think the repentant thief saved himself by choosing to believe in Jesus? I tell you that the repentant thief believed precisely because God chose to save him and bring him to repentance."

1 What is your proof that Jesus CHOSE one over the other, as opposed to each thief making his own choice?
2 No one is saying he saved himself - - all he did was accept what Jesus offered!

I think at one point Reformed theology choses some and it will not let them go. Only God knows the outcome. Reformed theology is a twisted pretzel that taste good, but taken with a grain of salt.

Is Reformed theology a thing that can grasp people? Was the forbidden fruit a thing that could tempt a human and offer them Wisdom?

James does not refute free will.

 

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