Does The Bible Teach People To Have Homophobia?

[freeatlast]

While I have tremendous love and concern for the soul of my daughter (age 43), I cannot and will not fellowship with her while she is living in sin as a full-blown lesbian and a person who professes to be a born-again believer with a Cherokee spirit guide who leads her every thought and step!

I realize she is mixed up and badly mislead, but she is unwilling to even consider my loving guidance. She flaunts her homosexuality in my face, and takes every opportunity to create situations that could lead to arguments.

I have learned to avoid these confrontations, even though they mean not being around her. We still communicate on line, but that is the extent of our communication, as she knows which buttons to press, as I would prefer not having those buttons pressed.

We are cordial on line, and I can always avoid her taunting, but it is a major heartbreak to know what she is doing to her life.

With that said, let me say why I believe the Bible teaches us to avoid any form of fellowship with those who are committed to living outside of Gods will for their life.

No, the Bible doesn't teach us to be homophobic, but it teaches us to be detached from such people and situations. For instance, James says (in James 4:4), "don't that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God." And Paul writes, "Do not be misled. Bad company corrupts good character..." (1 Corinthians 15:33)

We read in Proverbs 4:14 - "Do not set foot on the path of the wicked or walk in the way of evil men" and in Proverbs 24:1 - "Do not envy wicked men. Do not desire their company."

And Peter exhorts us in 1 Peter 4:1-5 -"Therefore, since Christ suffered in His body, arm yourselves also with this same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans (unbelievers) do - living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They think it strange that you do not join with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you." Could this possibly be what you are afraid of? What they might think about you or say to or about you? If so, you better think more of what the Lord will say when you stand before Him to give an account on that Day."

Finally, Paul writes (in 2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1), "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? On the other hand, what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the Living God." As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people. Therefore, come out from them and be separate," says the Lord, "touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you, and you will be My sons and daughters,"

I believe that Jesus needs to be MORE important to us and to our way of life than the things of this world! If that makes me, a homophobe, then so-be-it...I am not on this earth to impress others. I am not here to be "politically correct!" And I'm definitely not on this earth to reflect tolerance towards sin.

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for their lustful desire to be with members of their own sex. Paul tells us in Romans 1 that men craving to be with men and women lusting after women will be turned over to their own desires, suffer from a sinful "daze" and be judged for such sins.

Please don't get me wrong! I love my daughter, but she has made a choice that can't end well for her, spiritually speaking! She is in my prayers, and on numerous lists, as I don't quit believing for her salvations. The problem is, it is solely up to her, and only the Holy Ghost can convince her to change the direction in which she is headed.

The problem is, I have several family members that have taken her side, ans because they are religious, she takes it to mean that she knows better than me. These family members refer to me as the "born-again" fanatic! Their salvation is highly questionable, as they are not in a relationship with Him, in fact they don't understand the need to be born-again. And as long as my daughters aunts, uncles, and cousins side with her; accept her; and encourage her; and put me down as that "born-again" fanantic, she'll continue to be on the fast rack portion of the freeway to hell!

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

Paul I am sorry to hear about your daughter. I will pray for her salvation as well as her relationship with you to be restored.

 

[JesusFan]

I do know that the Bible teaches that when Lot was in Sodom---that his "righteous soul was vexed"----the acts being done there moved not only his spirit but his stomach as well

I believe----his righteous soul remained vexed until the day God's Spirit move him out ----- and God then moved in and "dusted" the place!!! IOW--God turned Sodom to powder!!!

Is your righteous soul vexed???????????? Does it move you to move like God moved?? Remember ----- God moved for Lot and at the very same time He moved against Sodom!!

Think a lot depends on the attitude of the person caught up in this particular sin practice!

To one whio is struggling with this attraction, knows that it is wrong and not

honoring the Lord, that person needs to know that God fully loves them, accepts them in the beloved jesus, and that there is hope for them to have victory and overcome this through the power of the Cross of Christ and the HS!

To the sinner who is "brazen" in this lifestyle, "God made me this way", that person needs to be called to repentance and to turn from it and find grace and salvation in Cross of Christ!

SAME message, 2 different tacts though...

Soft love to group 1, tough love to group 2!

 

[Salty]

Does The Bible Teach People To Have Homophobia?

Depends on whose definition of homophobia you are using/

To some if you do not fully accept the immoral lifestyle, you are considered to have homophobia.

So, if someone does call me the "H" word, the first thing I will do is ask them the definition. I then will ask them if they believe if I should be closed minded about the issue. (Of course they will respond "no") I will then ask them why they are being so closed minded about my belief.
Then I might ask "Would you accept a murder into you circle of friends" A) "of course not" I would respond, "Why not" A) because what they did is wrong - My reply - Who says it's wrong? I think you get my drift now....

 

[Berean]

Contrary to present belief and teaching, I believe that homosexuality is acquired by choice and not inherited. (This was majority opinion mid twentieth century.) I also resent the misuse of a perfectly good word to to describe it.

 

[freeatlast]

Contrary to present belief and teaching, I believe that homosexuality is acquired by choice and not inherited. (This was majority opinion mid twentieth century.) I also resent the misuse of a perfectly good word to to describe it.

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Yes it is a choice just like any and all of our sins. No one has to sin any sin.

 

[JesusFan]

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Yes it is a choice just like any and all of our sins. No one has to sin any sin.

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Actually, UNLESS one has been saved by the Grace of God, one will HAVE to sin in whatever weakness they have on a habitual basis, has they are "bound by their Will" and have NO power to stop it long term, as that power comes from the Cross and the HS Christians have!

 

[freeatlast]

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Actually, UNLESS one has been saved by the Grace of God, one will HAVE to sin in whatever weakness they have on a habitual basis, has they are "bound by their Will" and have NO power to stop it long term, as that power comes from the Cross and the HS Christians have![/QUOTE]

Not true. No one ever has to sin saved or lost. No person ever has to murder, rape, rob, lie, or anything else. All sin is a choice.

 

[JesusFan]

Actually, UNLESS one has been saved by the Grace of God, one will HAVE to sin in whatever weakness they have on a habitual basis, has they are "bound by their Will" and have NO power to stop it long term, as that power comes from the Cross and the HS Christians have!

Not true. No one ever has to sin saved or lost. No person ever has to murder, rape, rob, lie, or anything else. All sin is a choice.

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ALL of us are born with sinful natures, who will choose to act out upon them...

Born with an inability to keep from sinning , as we are indeed in :bodage of the human will" sinners act out 'naturally" , while Christians ALONE have been freed from power of sin, and will ahve the choice to sin or not

NO sinner really has that choice/capability!

 

[freeatlast]

ALL of us are born with sinful natures, who will choose to act out upon them...

Born with an inability to keep from sinning , as we are indeed in :bodage of the human will" sinners act out 'naturally" , while Christians ALONE have been freed from power of sin, and will ahve the choice to sin or not

NO sinner really has that choice/capability![/QUOTE]


Yes every sin is a choice. No one or anything makes us sin. if what you say was true then no lost person could ever do anything but sin. Even the lost suppress their sinful desires at times. We all have that ability even when lost. Every lost person has desires but not all of them are fornicators or rapists. Every lost person has desired to have something not theirs but not all steal everything they want. So your idea is incorrect. The truth is all sin is a choice very time for every one. No one ever has to sin.
The difference in a Christian and a believe is the believer has the Spirit the keeps him from practicing what his flesh desires as we surrender to the Spirit. The lost just sow to the flesh at will, not out of necessity. No one has to sin. It is always a choice. If you don’t believe that name me one sin you have ever done when lost that you absolutely had to do.

 

[JesusFan]

ALL of us are born with sinful natures, who will choose to act out upon them...

Born with an inability to keep from sinning , as we are indeed in :bodage of the human will" sinners act out 'naturally" , while Christians ALONE have been freed from power of sin, and will ahve the choice to sin or not

NO sinner really has that choice/capability!

Yes every sin is a choice. No one or anything makes us sin. if what you say was true then no lost person could ever do anything but sin. Even the lost suppress their sinful desires at times. We all have that ability even when lost. Every lost person has desires but not all of them are fornicators or rapists. Every lost person has desired to have something not theirs but not all steal everything they want. So your idea is incorrect. The truth is all sin is a choice very time for every one. No one ever has to sin.
The difference in a Christian and a believe is the believer has the Spirit the keeps him from practicing what his flesh desires as we surrender to the Spirit. The lost just sow to the flesh at will, not out of necessity. No one has to sin. It is always a choice. If you don’t believe that name me one sin you have ever done when lost that you absolutely had to do. [/QUOTE]



ONLY choice that sinners have is to "limit' the amount of sin they will have to commit...

carnal, sinful natures cannot keep from sinning, that is the 'natural" state they find themselves in. their state/condition...

sinners can choose to do 'little sinning" or 'big sinning' but will still be sinning!

 

[freeatlast]

Yes every sin is a choice. No one or anything makes us sin. if what you say was true then no lost person could ever do anything but sin. Even the lost suppress their sinful desires at times. We all have that ability even when lost. Every lost person has desires but not all of them are fornicators or rapists. Every lost person has desired to have something not theirs but not all steal everything they want. So your idea is incorrect. The truth is all sin is a choice very time for every one. No one ever has to sin.
The difference in a Christian and a believe is the believer has the Spirit the keeps him from practicing what his flesh desires as we surrender to the Spirit. The lost just sow to the flesh at will, not out of necessity. No one has to sin. It is always a choice. If you don’t believe that name me one sin you have ever done when lost that you absolutely had to do.

ONLY choice that sinners have is to "limit' the amount of sin they will have to commit...

carnal, sinful natures cannot keep from sinning, that is the 'natural" state they find themselves in. their state/condition...

sinners can choose to do 'little sinning" or 'big sinning' but will still be sinning![/QUOTE]

Have you actually thought out what you just said? :laugh:

 

[quantumfaith]

I appreciate the spirit you show here in your post Ann. Good points - and lets not forget, instead of being afraid lets remember that these are dear people for who Jesus died.

What love is this!

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[righteousdude2]

Thank You FAL....

Paul I am sorry to hear about your daughter. I will pray for her salvation as well as her relationship with you to be restored.

....Even though we've had our disagreements, it is great to know we have each others backs when prayer is needed. Thanks!

 

[HankD]

2 Peter 2
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:​

As to the O/P - Sounds like there is an element of prohibiting fear or threat somewhere in this passage.​

As to "choice" and sin.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.​

"committeth sin"​

"commit" is a participle indicating a state of being
"sin" is a noun with the definite article "the sin".​

This phrase indicates that those who are of the devil are those who sin by "doing what comes naturally".​

A child of God while he/she is capable of a sin (even repeatedly) cannot sin in the manner of the lost as out of a state of being, a way of life because the Spirit abides in him/her sanctifying, convicting, reproving.​

So, it is bettter to say (as did Jesus) that the lost are slaves/servants of sin to obey (sin is their master) it rather than to look at any singular manifestation of that nature.​

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin (same construction as 1 John 3:8) is the servant of sin.​

Thus 1 John 1:9 for the children of God to whom our father says:​

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.​

HankD​

 

[JesusFan]

2 Peter 2
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:​

As to the O/P - Sounds like there is an element of prohibiting fear or threat somewhere in this passage.​

As to "choice" and sin.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.​

"committeth sin"​

"commit" is a participle indicating a state of being
"sin" is a noun with the definite article "the sin".​

This phrase indicates that those who are of the devil are those who sin by "doing what comes naturally".​

A child of God while he/she is capable of a sin (even repeatedly) cannot sin in the manner of the lost as out of a state of being, a way of life because the Spirit abides in him/her sanctifying, convicting, reproving.​

So, it is bettter to say (as did Jesus) that the lost are slaves/servants of sin to obey (sin is their master) it rather than to look at any singular manifestation of that nature.​

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin (same construction as 1 John 3:8) is the servant of sin.​

Thus 1 John 1:9 for the children of God to whom our father says:​

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.​

HankD​

which is why I said that sinners do what comes "naturally" to them, as their very natures will be to disobey against God...

really have 'no choice' in that matter, as that is just 'the way they are"

 

[freeatlast]

which is why I said that sinners do what comes "naturally" to them, as their very natures will be to disobey against God...

really have 'no choice' in that matter, as that is just 'the way they are"

Yes we all have a choice. No one has to sin.

 

[JesusFan]

Yes we all have a choice. No one has to sin.

Just like in the OT, sinners w/o HS in them have to sin, all they can 'choose" to do is to "limit" the extent of the sin!

 

[Van]

Calvinists like to claim that since all fall short of the glory of God, we have no capacity to desire not to sin, to desire the righteousness of God, or to desire salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. But they have no basis for these false assertions. Sure the first soil had so harden his heart he could not even understand the gospel, but the other three soils were receptive, proving Calvinism is false doctrine. (Matthew 13)

What is really sad is this false belief corrupts their understanding of other Biblical doctrines such that most of their assertions also have no basis in scripture.

 

[freeatlast]

Just like in the OT, sinners w/o HS in them have to sin, all they can 'choose" to do is to "limit" the extent of the sin!

I understand that is your belief but it is not biblical. The bible never teaches that. In fact according to scripture the Spirit was not given until pentacost. Paul makes it clea that he kept the law before His conversion to Christianity. As unto the law he says he was blameless. No one has to sin. Sin is a choice.

 

[HAMel]

It's a long established fact/practice that the Bible teaches whatever any one wants it to teach.

To the KKK it teaches as they preach. To the Jehovah Witnesses it teaches as they say. To the Catholics, etc. Jim Jones preached from the Bible. True blue Jews preach using only half the Bible.

Does the bible teach a doctrine of hating anything or anybody? It sure does..., in the right hands.