Does The Bible Teach People To Have Homophobia?

[DiamondLady]

No all sin is not equal. God does measure sin. That is why some sins carried the death penalty and some some did not. Also that is why scripture says;
Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
Also;
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].

Oh Brother freeatlast, how wrong you are. ALL sin carries the worst of death penalties....eternity in hell's never ending fire. Some sins carried a penalty of death on earth, because God did not want the nation of Israel to be tainted by that sin, but I believe if you'll study the word further you'll see that God does not categorize nor measure sin. He does not say, "you go here because you only lied, and you go to that corner because you were gay." There is only Heaven and Hell. Christians receive rewards because of their work for Christ on Earth, but even their sin is never categorized. There is death or life, that's the only measure of sin. Only way to life is through Christ and thank Him that He does not count our sins, weigh our sins, or give us life based upon our sins....none of us would get life everlasting, we'd all receive the death penalty.

 

[preacher4truth]

Oh Brother freeatlast, how wrong you are. ALL sin carries the worst of death penalties....eternity in hell's never ending fire. Some sins carried a penalty of death on earth, because God did not want the nation of Israel to be tainted by that sin, but I believe if you'll study the word further you'll see that God does not categorize nor measure sin. He does not say, "you go here because you only lied, and you go to that corner because you were gay." There is only Heaven and Hell. Christians receive rewards because of their work for Christ on Earth, but even their sin is never categorized. There is death or life, that's the only measure of sin. Only way to life is through Christ and thank Him that He does not count our sins, weigh our sins, or give us life based upon our sins....none of us would get life everlasting, we'd all receive the death penalty.

Not at all. Christ talked of greater sin.

You do err, not knowing the Scriptures. FAL is correct. You? Not so much.

 

[DiamondLady]

Not at all. Christ talked of greater sin.

You do err, not knowing the Scriptures. FAL is correct. You? Not so much.

And, Preacher4truth, you are the Great Arbiter of all Biblical knowledge and truth? Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[righteousdude2]

I Thought I was Finished With this Topic......

....However, I must jump back in here and say that I do not see anywhere in the Bible where we are told that one sin carries more, or less weight than another.

It is my opinion that ALL sin is the same, and the wage of ALL sin is death (Romans 6:23). If this is true, what Paul's states in Romans, then Diamondlady is right on.

I can't accept the argument that Jesus died for sins of all sizes. He died for sin, and sin period. This size thing is the most common argument I hear when I share that Christ died for our sins. Way tooooo many folks have classified sins in categories, and subsequently, the small sins (like a "white" lie) in life are acceptable, and they will not send you to hell.

If this were true, then I John 1:5-10 is not correct. In fact, it is a lie, and should never have been included in the Bible by the scholars of old!

Finally, I want to make this point perfectly clear. If preaching that those who commit homosexual sin are "homophobic" than I am the chief of all homophobes! :type:

 

[Aaron]

Pay attention:

On earth all sin is not equal. It was already mentioned that the law prescribes punishments of varying degrees depending upon the crime. The idea that sodomy is no worse than stealing a stick of gum is a lie, and that those who take in sodomites are doing as well as those who care for widows and orphans is a fairy tale.

 

[DiamondLady]

On earth all sin is not equal. It was already mentioned that the law prescribes punishments of varying degrees depending upon the crime. The idea that sodomy is no worse than stealing a stick of gum is a lie, and that those who take in sodomites are doing as well as those who care for widows and orphans is a fairy tale.

Okay, Aaron,

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue,

Now, same word....two different sins (the two you used...sodomoy and lying)...you tell me, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE???? They're both abominations to God. Seems to me someone who tells a lie is an abomination in God's sight, same as those who are gay. So you'd have us stop loving and caring for anyone whose told a lie as well???

 

[preacher4truth]

And, Preacher4truth, you are the Great Arbiter of all Biblical knowledge and truth? Somehow, I doubt it.

Not really, you just happen to be incorrect here. Others and myself have pointed this out to you. Perhaps you are incorrect quite often. Somehow, I believe it.

 

[blackbird]

Not at all. Christ talked of greater sin.

I'm posting this quote in agreement------Jesus(God in flesh) told Pilate---that Judas carried more responsibility ----a greatER(emphasis mine) sin in having Jesus delivered to him than he(Pilate) himself for the eventual crucifixion ---- then Jesus also told His disiciples that it would have been better had the person who delivered Him(Jesus) for crucifixion---had never been born----Jesus said that in light--not because Judas had a "slight hand" in the "Till"(the diciples money box)---but because Judas was willing to kiss the cheek of the Son of God in betrayal and deliverance

In John's epistle---John talks about sinning a "sin unto death"

So not all sin is equal in God's eye nor in man's eye------the Texas Rangers back years ago ambushed Bonnie and Clyde and killed them----not because they were stealing candy from a baby---but because they had reached the ulitmate in bank hiests and were a threat to society

 

[preacher4truth]

I'm posting this quote in agreement------Jesus(God in flesh) told Pilate---that Judas carried more responsibility ----a greatER(emphasis mine) sin in having Jesus delivered to him than he(Pilate) himself for the eventual crucifixion ---- then Jesus also told His disiciples that it would have been better had the person who delivered Him(Jesus) for crucifixion---had never been born----Jesus said that in light--not because Judas had a "slight hand" in the "Till"(the diciples money box)---but because Judas was willing to kiss the cheek of the Son of God in betrayal and deliverance

In John's epistle---John talks about sinning a "sin unto death"

So not all sin is equal in God's eye nor in man's eye------the Texas Rangers back years ago ambushed Bonnie and Clyde and killed them----not because they were stealing candy from a baby---but because they had reached the ulitmate in bank hiests and were a threat to society

Truth. :thumbsup:

 

[quantumfaith]

From our human perspective and the teaching of scripture sin (any sin) makes us guilty and in need of redemption whether it be lying, stealing a stick of gum or mass murder etc. The scripture indicates that some sins are a greater stench to God, however, any of them warrants our separation from HIM. The only one capable of a true and absolute flawless judgement of such is God himself. We as humans make rational decisions as to severity with regard to civil laws and society in general. I submit that high on the list of "stenchy" sins before God is PRIDE.

Proverbs 8:13 (ESV)
13 The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate

 

[quantumfaith]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ajIFfSaEzE

 

[DiamondLady]

From our human perspective and the teaching of scripture sin (any sin) makes us guilty and in need of redemption whether it be lying, stealing a stick of gum or mass murder etc. The scripture indicates that some sins are a greater stench to God, however, any of them warrants our separation from HIM. The only one capable of a true and absolute flawless judgement of such is God himself. We as humans make rational decisions as to severity with regard to civil laws and society in general. I submit that high on the list of "stenchy" sins before God is PRIDE.

Proverbs 8:13 (ESV)
13 The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate

AMEN, brother, AMEN!!!

 

[DiamondLady]

Not really, you just happen to be incorrect here. Others and myself have pointed this out to you. Perhaps you are incorrect quite often. Somehow, I believe it.

P4T....if you are attempting to sway me to your side you are failing miserably. If this is the way you win souls to Christ...well, let me say I don't see much success in your debating skills. Attacking another person instead of addressing the issue at hand is not a way to win any debate. Now, perhaps if you could show me these scriptures, of which you say I know nothing, you might sway me. I doubt it, but you may try. Until then, you are dust on my feet to be dusted away.

 

[blackbird]

A careful examination of 1Corinthians 6:18 & 19 will shed light on differences and magnitudes of sin

The Apostle tells his readers to "put daylight between" themselves and sins done in the flesh---meaning sexual sin---for the reason that the Apostle says that the body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit

He draws a distinction between sins committed "outside the body"(meaning in spirit) and sins committed with the flesh----to which lies the sin of fornication---which includes the sin of homosexuality

There is more weight put on sexual sins done in the flesh than other sins which do not involve the act of sex

 

[DiamondLady]

A careful examination of 1Corinthians 6:18 & 19 will shed light on differences and magnitudes of sin

The Apostle tells his readers to "put daylight between" themselves and sins done in the flesh---meaning sexual sin---for the reason that the Apostle says that the body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit

He draws a distinction between sins committed "outside the body"(meaning in spirit) and sins committed with the flesh----to which lies the sin of fornication---which includes the sin of homosexuality

There is more weight put on sexual sins done in the flesh than other sins which do not involve the act of sex

1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

What I see is Paul telling the church at Corinth not to commit fornication. (By the way, he was not speaking of sodomy here, but rather still referencing that these people were committing incest) and telling them that by doing so they were defiling their own bodies and that as a child of God their bodies were to be pure, like a Temple. Basically he was telling them to cut it out.

I don't mind a good debate but let's not stretch the meaning of scripture to fit where it doesn't fit at all.

 

[quantumfaith]

1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

What I see is Paul telling the church at Corinth not to commit fornication. (By the way, he was not speaking of sodomy here, but rather still referencing that these people were committing incest) and telling them that by doing so they were defiling their own bodies and that as a child of God their bodies were to be pure, like a Temple. Basically he was telling them to cut it out.

I don't mind a good debate but let's not stretch the meaning of scripture to fit where it doesn't fit at all.

Could it also be that Paul was addressing a vexing issue for the Corinthian church, that being of the ancient prcatice synchronism of sexual appetities and the worship of some deity? I see Paul wanting to deal head on with such an issue and not allow it a foothold in the church and damage/destroy the christian witness in Corinth. And thus he offered these stark warnings and the reminder that we are "the temple".

 

[blackbird]

1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

What I see is Paul telling the church at Corinth not to commit fornication. (By the way, he was not speaking of sodomy here, but rather still referencing that these people were committing incest) and telling them that by doing so they were defiling their own bodies and that as a child of God their bodies were to be pure, like a Temple. Basically he was telling them to cut it out.

I don't mind a good debate but let's not stretch the meaning of scripture to fit where it doesn't fit at all.

What you DO seem to mind is when someone comes along and presses the issue of sexual sin and its weights and measurements held against other sins done outside the body----perhaps in an attempt to stretch it out to where it appears God only "winks" at the sin of homosexuality---He knows its bad----but no badder than any other sin that humans commit!!!

Is that it, DL???

 

[WestminsterMan]

There certainly are homosexuals who are saved. They are exceedingly decieved and exceedingly out of Gods will for thier lives.

But if they have ever previously been born of the Spirit, then they are still saved. It is absolutely impossible for a once saved child of God to ever, under any circumstances, lose thier salvation and turn into a lost person again.

The scriptural truth know as "eternal security" has no exceptions.

OSAS cannot be found in Scripture. However, Scripture says that nothing unclean may enter Heaven. Do you actually believe that any "saved" person may enter therein regardless of the sins on their souls? How about Murder? Sodomy? Fornication? Adultery? The sinner's list is very long in scripture which precludes entery in Heaven.

WM

 

[DiamondLady]

Could it also be that Paul was addressing a vexing issue for the Corinthian church, that being of the ancient prcatice synchronism of sexual appetities and the worship of some deity? I see Paul wanting to deal head on with such an issue and not allow it a foothold in the church and damage/destroy the christian witness in Corinth. And thus he offered these stark warnings and the reminder that we are "the temple".

The church at Corinth definitely had its problems. I think they were trying, but their society was such that they were overcoming great obstacles. This was a large, metropolitan city (pop around 800,000) their main goddess was Aphrodite (which says a lot about their sexual practices, probably) and Paul did recognize the difficulties they faced and tried to advise them around the stumbling blocks.

 

[Iconoclast]

There certainly are homosexuals who are saved. They are exceedingly decieved and exceedingly out of Gods will for thier lives.

But if they have ever previously been born of the Spirit, then they are still saved. It is absolutely impossible for a once saved child of God to ever, under any circumstances, lose thier salvation and turn into a lost person again.

The scriptural truth know as "eternal security" has no exceptions.

If a sodomite gets saved...they are no longer partaking in that sin,
if you suggest otherwise you are decieved:

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

such were some of you,,,,not such are some of you!

Any practicing sodomite, or fornicator, or murderer, or thief...is not a "saved child of God",,out of his will!!! They are an unsaved false professor of religion.