I didn't ask what a person is not. I asked you what a person is.
But somebody else in this conversation defined person as a being. So you may want to go run down that person and have an argument. That person calls him or herself "Saved by grace:
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Does the Word of God evidence the Trinity or is the Godhead simply reasoned out from Scripture?
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But somebody else in this conversation defined person as a being. So you may want to go run down that person and have an argument. That person calls him or herself "Saved by grace:
SavedByGrace
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A living "being" as opposed to a "thing". What do you think us humans are, if not "living beings", as well as PERSONS?
You are playing with words to try to hide your HERETICAL theology!
You attack the use of PERSON, so why not tell us WHAT you believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are? Three separate GODS???
You're a polytheist. You definitely believe there are multiple beings that are God. That's sad
You're playing with words and it's developing more heresy. You should be more careful with your vain philosophy
I already have. About 20 or 30 posts ago. But you're so busy being erratic and unhinged that you can't even see straight. God needs to get ahold of you, for real.
That would be your polytheistic 3 beings.
You might be better suited in Mormonism, frfr
SavedByGrace
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It is very clear that your view is HERETICAL!
It is the settled Doctrinal Teaching of the Evangelical, Born-Again Christian Church, from the New Testament Times, based on the Word of Almighty God, that God eternally exists in One Godhead, as Three Distinct but Equal Persons, the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. This is 2000 years old.
The likes of YOU, who REJECT the Teachings of the Holy Bible, who come on forums like Baptist Board, to try to FORCE your HERESY on to others!
This is from the Athanasian Creed, and what the Evangelical Church has believed from NT Times.
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords.
If you or anyone else cannot accept this as Biblical TRUTH, then what you believe is HERESY!
SavedByGrace
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you rate #124 as funny, because you believe in HERESY! and REJECT what the True Church has believed and taught for 2000 years!
I have nothing further to say to those who believe in DEMONIC LIES!
Titus 3:10, Amplified Bible
After a first and second warning reject a divisive man [who promotes heresy and causes dissension—ban him from your fellowship and have nothing more to do with him]
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No, 100% God and man!
Are you a Unitarian, or a Modualist then?
IF one is in error on the person and nature of God Himself, all sorts of heresies crop up!
Is the Holy Spirit a person?
The story of Jesus' baptism in the different "Gospels" shows that Father, Son, & Holy Spirit are each a distinct personage. I have no idea how all 3 are the same one God, but Jesus said "My Father is greater than I" and I shall send the Holy Spirit" as well as praying. This pretty well establisheds the truth of the Holy Trinity.
Yes, exactly right. The person.
Not the three persons
By the way, what in the world is a modualist?
I don't know that it is establishes, but it at least portrays some sort of tri fold aspect of God.
Where the trinitarian doctrine runs off the rails for me is the idea of three co-eternal Persons, each with their own mind and will. Jesus said he can't do anything except what he sees the father doing
Another is when I ask someone to Define person and they Define it as a being. That happened by one of my eloquent challengers in this thread. That means if there are three persons then there would be three beings. That's completely out of bounds. That amounts to polytheism
Do you (contributors) think it might have been easier to present Scriptures rather then a view?
I suppose not, because a number of posts lack Scriptures.
When one is in error, how is it that Paul states the believer's are to confront a person?
What do you think that one reading this thread might consider? Is there an evidence of Spiritual discussion?
If one cannot be convinced by Scriptures, then human reasoning will last but a short time and be established upon wind and not foundation.
Paul writes to Jude:
Contend, struggle, even in agony, for the faith is not to be tool for beating on fellow believers, but that which was "once for all delivered to the saints" is the standard. What was delivered "once for all?" The Scriptures! Through the Scriptures comes wisdom and understanding. Through the Scriptures comes the foundational truths that bring salvation, hope, endurance, ...
When one contends, then use what the Saints used - the Scriptures. "As it is written in ..." brings one to either accept the Scripture principles or be clearly under the authority of the Holy Spirit to bring conviction, righteousness, and judgement.
@JamesL should spend time thinking through the presentation of the Trinity in the Scriptures. John shows both the Father and Son co-equal and yet submissive to each other. Genesis opens with the plural Elohym and yet one creator in which all things exists. These are all areas that should carefully have been presented. Yet, I don't find much in the thread concerning a systematic teaching to edify, but a demand for conformity.
Hey, demand of conformity is like quoting from the Scriptures that men not be wearing women's apparel, and then telling the women don't wear pants while ignoring that men are wearing dresses.
Sometimes, isn't it better to let the Scriptures do the talking and taking the Scriptures as factual?
I suppose not, because a number of posts lack Scriptures.
When one is in error, how is it that Paul states the believer's are to confront a person?
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression (lapse, slip, error, trespass, ...), you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness (mildness, humility, ...). Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted (enticed, tested, ...).
If one cannot be convinced by Scriptures, then human reasoning will last but a short time and be established upon wind and not foundation.
Paul writes to Jude:
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
Contend, struggle, even in agony, for the faith is not to be tool for beating on fellow believers, but that which was "once for all delivered to the saints" is the standard. What was delivered "once for all?" The Scriptures! Through the Scriptures comes wisdom and understanding. Through the Scriptures comes the foundational truths that bring salvation, hope, endurance, ...
When one contends, then use what the Saints used - the Scriptures. "As it is written in ..." brings one to either accept the Scripture principles or be clearly under the authority of the Holy Spirit to bring conviction, righteousness, and judgement.
@JamesL should spend time thinking through the presentation of the Trinity in the Scriptures. John shows both the Father and Son co-equal and yet submissive to each other. Genesis opens with the plural Elohym and yet one creator in which all things exists. These are all areas that should carefully have been presented. Yet, I don't find much in the thread concerning a systematic teaching to edify, but a demand for conformity.
Hey, demand of conformity is like quoting from the Scriptures that men not be wearing women's apparel, and then telling the women don't wear pants while ignoring that men are wearing dresses.
Sometimes, isn't it better to let the Scriptures do the talking and taking the Scriptures as factual?
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