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Does the Word of God evidence the Trinity or is the Godhead simply reasoned out from Scripture?

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JamesL

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SavedByGrace said:
Jesus Christ is the eternal God, YHWH, and He in His Incarnate Person as the God-Man, while on earth, prayed to the Father, Who is also the eternal God, Yahweh. Now 2 Gods, but One Godhead and Three distinct Persons.

Jesus' limited knowledge is because He often said and did things that pertain to His Divine nature as God; and other times His Human nature, as Man. Hence He can be tired and hungry and grow in Wisdom, and not have His Return as "revealed" to Him, which are true of His Human Nature. On the other hand, He claims to be God, as in John 8:24, 58, 10:28-30, accepts Worship many times, forgives sins. Claims equality to the Father. The Father addresses Jesus Christ as "God"; says to WORSHIP Him; and also addresses Jesus as THE CREATOR! etc, etc
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Oh my goodness, you are impossible. This whole thread is about what can be demonstrated with explicit statement from scripture. Take your two God Head Person's yada yada yada over to some Junior High School. Good grief

You'll be arguing against the brick wall from this point on. One reason is you don't know how to abide by the rules of the conversation
 
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37818 said:
Then you do deny Trinity. That term which has the understood meaning of three Persons. Your view is a form of Modalism. It may not be Sabellianism or Jesus Onlyism.
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You should probably be excused from the conversation at this point. I don't think there's anything you're able to learn or contribute
 
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JamesL said:
Oh my goodness, you are impossible. This whole thread is about what can be demonstrated with explicit statement from scripture. Take your two God Head Person's yada yada yada over to some Junior High School. Good grief

You'll be arguing against the brick wall from this point on. One reason is you don't know how to abide by the rules of the conversation
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Romans 1:20, "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse"

θειότης=Divine Nature

In Isaiah 9:6, One of the Names of Jesus Christ, is "’êl Gibbôr", which is MIGHTY GOD. In Isaiah 10:21, Yahweh is also called, "’êl Gibbôr", MIGHTY GOD

We have TWO Who are EQUALLY MIGHTY GOD.

Even the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses, reads Mighty God in both places!

Get your head around this! :Biggrin
 
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JamesL said:
You should probably be excused from the conversation at this point. I don't think there's anything you're able to learn or contribute
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The truth of the distinct Persons is simple. That each of the said Persons in places in Scripture can be identified to be God is not in dispute. You could point out one at a time what you find to be a difficulty.
 
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37818 said:
The truth of the distinct Persons is simple. That each of the said Persons in places in Scripture can be identified to be God is not in dispute. You could point out one at a time what you find to be a difficulty.
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What is a "Person" ?
Can you define it, please?
 
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It gets tricky when dealing with this topic because there are so many views.

Calvinism, for example, teaches that the Son is inferior to the Father as He took humanity upon Himself - there was no "persons" of the Trinity until the Incarnation. (See John Calvin's commentary on Corinthians).
 
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JamesL said:
Yes, I do.
And no, I don't.

The Word of God is God, yet the Word made flesh prayed to "God" (i.e. Matthew 27:46)

There are things the Son did not (maybe still does not) know - such as the time of His coming.

How do you explain John 5:26 where Jesus said
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself"
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If Jesus is not fully God to you, is he then a god like JW see Him as being?
 
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JamesL said:
Neither of those.

There is One God
That One God speaks, and thereby creates
That One God breathes and gives life

How exactly His Word is personified is a mystery
How exactly His Breath is personified is a mystery

I can assure you this - the Word of God doesn't do any unassisted thinking, and the Breath of God (Holy Spirit) doesn't do any unassisted thinking.
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You are holding to Jesus and the Holy Spirit not being fully God themselves, correct?
 
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JonC said:
It gets tricky when dealing with this topic because there are so many views.

Calvinism, for example, teaches that the Son is inferior to the Father as He took humanity upon Himself - there was no "persons" of yhe Trinity until the Incarnation. (See John Calvin's commentary on Corinthians).
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That is NOT what any Calvinists holds to here, as we would hold that Jesus is very God of very God, but that he agreed to humble Himself and to be in subordination to the Father while here on earth!
 
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JesusFan said:
NO, we see One eternal Being, or is Himself 3 Persons!
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So then you cannot define ONE Person as a distinct being and then claim there are THREE Persons. That would make three distinct beings. Maybe you don't understand English. I'm just trying to help you out with that one
 
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JamesL said:
So then you cannot define ONE Person as a distinct being and then claim there are THREE Persons. That would make three distinct beings. Maybe you don't understand English. I'm just trying to help you out with that one
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person is not Being, as there is but One God, who in Himself is eternally 3 persons!
 
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