You won't find a single test that will convince an atheist that God created man either. But it is in the text of Scripture.
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Does the Word of God evidence the Trinity or is the Godhead simply reasoned out from Scripture?
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SavedByGrace
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and there are those, who pretend to be "baptist", and probably JW's, who bring their demonic teachings about the God of the Bible!
SavedByGrace
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Yep. Emphasizes on the quotation marks.there are some "christians" who do not believe that God Created anything!
37818
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So am I to understand God the Father, the Man Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5) and the Comforter (John 16:8) are not Persons?
You honestly don't know who Charles Taze Russell is?
He is/was the founder of a predominant intra-biblical cult who determined that everyone else was wrong and only he had discerned who Jehovah is.
I have little problem with what you quoted from the 2000 BF&M. There's a difference between "reveals...with distinct personal attributes" and "exists as 3 CoEternal Persons"
Maybe Baptists aren't as staunchly Trinitarian as you think
Correct.
Maybe Donnell and Connell need to have a wee bit of a talk with ye there Patrick. You been watching too much Voltron have ye?
If those Lutherans were to appeal to scripture rather than councils of men, they would have some good footing. Wasn't it even Luther himself who insisted that the Catholics reason from scripture instead of tradition.
That's funny, imho
people should be honest enough to admit that there's a difference between "scripture clearly states xyz" and "this seems to be the best understanding of the scripture, imho but I could be wrong"
true it's beyond human understanding. But the question should be if scripture is clearly and emphatically teaching a particular view or if it's possible a whole of people are wrong
hear here
That's for sure
SavedByGrace
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I said that what you have written is RANK HERESY, and you marked it as FUNNY? You must be NUTS, certainly NO "baptist"!!!
So what if you say it's heresy? Who died and made you God? Condemn me from scripture or condemn yourself for being presumptuous.I said that what you have written is RANK HERESY, and you marked it as FUNNY? You must be NUTS, certainly NO "baptist"!!!
SavedByGrace
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John 1:1, is VERY CLEAR, that "The Word", and "The God", Who He is WITH, are TWO DISTICT PERSONS, Both equally Almighty God!. You are trying to pretend that you are "baptist", while openly rejecting the Bible as God being One Godhead, and Three distinct Persons!. Either the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are PERSONS, or they are THINGS. Now you have to CHOOSE, which you accept. One is Biblical TRUTH, the other from the PIT OF HELL!
37818
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Do.you or do you understand that denial, that God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are distinct Persons is a denial of the Trinity?
Do you understand what I wrote in post #23 ?
Umm, no. It's not clear, nor is it VERY CLEAR.
Here's a challenge for you:
Tell me what ONE "Person" is, and I'll tell you if God is comprised from 3 of "them"
You can read into it what's been spoon-fed to you if you want. I prefer not to be dogmatic where scripture is silent.
And you argue like a juvenile.
SavedByGrace
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“A living, self-conscious being, as distinct from an animal or a thing; a moral agent” (Webster’s English Dictionary, 1913 ed)
“Definition of Personality. Personality exists where there is intelligence, mind, will, reason, individuality, self-consciousness, and self-determination. There must be not mere consciousness—for the beast has that—but self-consciousness. Nor is personality determination—for the beast has this, too, even though this determination be the result of influences from without—but self-determination, the power by which man from an act of his own free will determines his acts from within.
Neither corporeity nor substance, as we understand these words, are necessarily, if at all, involved in personality. There may be true personality without either or both of these.
(William Evans, The Great Doctrines of the Bible, p.22)
“PERSONALITY. In the first place, we endeavor to establish the personality of the Holy Spirit. By this we here mean that the Holy Spirit is a real being, possessing intelligence, and performing personal actions; not, however, a being distinct and separate in essence from the Father. We understand the one undivided essence or being in the Godhead to exist in three distinct persons—the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. We would prove the personality of the Holy Ghost, 1. By the appellations; 2. By the actions; 3. By the honors, ascribed to him. If these be such as can only be applicable to a real and personal existence, then the inference will be clear that the Holy Spirit is a real and personal being, and not a mere abstract attribute, energy, or influence.”
(Thomas Ralston - Elements of Divinity, p.40)
SavedByGrace
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and here is for you
do you 100% believe and accept, that Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit are Both Almighty God, Yahweh?
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