Does the Word of God evidence the Trinity or is the Godhead simply reasoned out from Scripture?

[SavedByGrace]

There is a way to understand the Tri-Unity of God without "Persons"

why don't you tell us?

 

[37818]

Do you understand what I wrote in post #23 ?

I agree that God is One, and that He is Triune in some manner.

I can't get on board with 3 Persons.
I think people want so badly to see their doctrines in scripture that they won't allow themselves to be honest.

There is a way to understand the Tri-Unity of God without "Persons"

And most who have chimed in have gone outside the parameters of the OP and have made mere assertions that cannot be found in any text of scripture.

Those people should be disqualified from the discussion, imho

Then you do deny Trinity. That term which has the understood meaning of three Persons. Your view is a form of Modalism. It may not be Sabellianism or Jesus Onlyism.

 

[JesusFan]

Then you do deny Trinity. That term which has the understood meaning of three Persons. Your view is a form of Modalism. It may not be Sabellianism or Jesus Onlyism.

Its holding to a heresy!

 

[JesusFan]

I have little problem with what you quoted from the 2000 BF&M. There's a difference between "reveals...with distinct personal attributes" and "exists as 3 CoEternal Persons"

Maybe Baptists aren't as staunchly Trinitarian as you think

# Persons, or do you see God as One, who has manifested Himself in 3 roles?

 

[JesusFan]

and here is for you

do you 100% believe and accept, that Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit are Both Almighty God, Yahweh?

No true Christian can deny the Trinity!

 

[SavedByGrace]

 

[JamesL]

“A living, self-conscious being, as distinct from an animal or a thing; a moral agent” (Webster’s English Dictionary, 1913 ed)

So you believe ONE Person is a self-conscious being.

So then in THREE "Persons" you see THREE self-conscious beings. I reject that

You, sir (or ma'am), are a polytheist.

 

[SavedByGrace]

So you believe ONE Person is a self-conscious being.

So then in THREE "Persons" you see THREE self-conscious beings. I reject that

You, sir (or ma'am), are a polytheist.

Lean to read and understand English! You cannot even understand what Websters is saying

 

[Conan]

The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit

2 Corinthians 3:17. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

1 Corinthians 3:16. Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

1 Corinthians 2:11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Psalm 143:10. Teach me to do your will,
for you are my God;
may your good Spirit
lead me on level ground.

1 John 5:7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

I certainly appreciate all of the true scripture you are quoting. But you certainly know your quote of 1 John 5:7 is not originally what John wrote.

The Text of the Gospels: First John 5:7 and Greek Manuscripts

 

[JamesL]

and here is for you

do you 100% believe and accept, that Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit are Both Almighty God, Yahweh?

Yes, I do.
And no, I don't.

The Word of God is God, yet the Word made flesh prayed to "God" (i.e. Matthew 27:46)

There are things the Son did not (maybe still does not) know - such as the time of His coming.

How do you explain John 5:26 where Jesus said
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself"

 

[SavedByGrace]

I certainly appreciate all of the true scripture you are quoting. But you certainly know your quote of 1 John 5:7 is not originally what John wrote.

The Text of the Gospels: First John 5:7 and Greek Manuscripts

that is just your opinion, and that of those who IGNORE the Greek grammar of the passage! I have done a detailed study from the grammar that is 100% conclusive that John did write the entire verse 7, as God had restored!

 

[JamesL]

# Persons, or do you see God as One, who has manifested Himself in 3 roles?

Neither of those.

There is One God
That One God speaks, and thereby creates
That One God breathes and gives life

How exactly His Word is personified is a mystery
How exactly His Breath is personified is a mystery

I can assure you this - the Word of God doesn't do any unassisted thinking, and the Breath of God (Holy Spirit) doesn't do any unassisted thinking.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yes, I do.
And no, I don't.

The Word of God is God, yet the Word made flesh prayed to "God" (i.e. Matthew 27:46)

There are things the Son did not (maybe still does not) know - such as the time of His coming.

How do you explain John 5:26 where Jesus said
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself"

verse 27 answers this, "ὅτι υἱὸς ἀνθρώπου ἐστίν". Relating to the Incarnate Jesus Christ and not as Yahweh!

 

[Conan]

that is just your opinion, and that of those who IGNORE the Greek grammar of the passage! I have done a detailed study from the grammar that is 100% conclusive that John did write the entire verse 7, as God had restored!

Yes I understand you believe the passage genuinely belongs. But others should have the facts to make their decisions. I put that there for Jon's benefit.

 

[SavedByGrace]

And no, I don't

so you believe the Holy Spirit is a created being? not YHWH?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yes I understand you believe the passage genuinely belongs. But others should have the facts to make their decisions. I put that there for Jon's benefit.

but what are these so called "facts"? instead of banging on about the so called "Greek manuscripts", it is far more important to acknowledge that it is absent from KNOWN Greek manuscripts! The Greek as dictated by God the Holy Spirit cannot be wrong.

 

[JamesL]

verse 27 answers this, "ὅτι υἱὸς ἀνθρώπου ἐστίν". Relating to the Incarnate Jesus Christ and not as Yahweh!

so it seems you reject the hypostatic union. You've created static between the human and the divine within the Son of God

 

[JamesL]

so you believe the Holy Spirit is a created being? not YHWH?

You might do well to read what I've written.
It would also do you some good if you would just simply admit you don't understand some of the scriptures

 

[SavedByGrace]

so it seems you reject the hypostatic union. You've created static between the human and the divine within the Son of God

clearly out of your depth on your Christology! you accuse me of things that you don't even understand!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yes, I do.
And no, I don't.

The Word of God is God, yet the Word made flesh prayed to "God" (i.e. Matthew 27:46)

There are things the Son did not (maybe still does not) know - such as the time of His coming.

How do you explain John 5:26 where Jesus said
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself"

Jesus Christ is the eternal God, YHWH, and He in His Incarnate Person as the God-Man, while on earth, prayed to the Father, Who is also the eternal God, Yahweh. Now 2 Gods, but One Godhead and Three distinct Persons.

Jesus' limited knowledge is because He often said and did things that pertain to His Divine nature as God; and other times His Human nature, as Man. Hence He can be tired and hungry and grow in Wisdom, and not have His Return as "revealed" to Him, which are true of His Human Nature. On the other hand, He claims to be God, as in John 8:24, 58, 10:28-30, accepts Worship many times, forgives sins. Claims equality to the Father. The Father addresses Jesus Christ as "God"; says to WORSHIP Him; and also addresses Jesus as THE CREATOR! etc, etc