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Featured Does the Word of God evidence the Trinity or is the Godhead simply reasoned out from Scripture?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Mar 22, 2022.

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    why don't you tell us?
     
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    Then you do deny Trinity. That term which has the understood meaning of three Persons. Your view is a form of Modalism. It may not be Sabellianism or Jesus Onlyism.
     
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    Its holding to a heresy!
     
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    # Persons, or do you see God as One, who has manifested Himself in 3 roles?
     
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    No true Christian can deny the Trinity!
     
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    So you believe ONE Person is a self-conscious being.

    So then in THREE "Persons" you see THREE self-conscious beings. I reject that

    You, sir (or ma'am), are a polytheist.
     
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    Lean to read and understand English! You cannot even understand what Websters is saying :rolleyes:
     
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    I certainly appreciate all of the true scripture you are quoting. But you certainly know your quote of 1 John 5:7 is not originally what John wrote.

    The Text of the Gospels: First John 5:7 and Greek Manuscripts
     
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    Yes, I do.
    And no, I don't.

    The Word of God is God, yet the Word made flesh prayed to "God" (i.e. Matthew 27:46)

    There are things the Son did not (maybe still does not) know - such as the time of His coming.

    How do you explain John 5:26 where Jesus said
    "For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself"
     
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    that is just your opinion, and that of those who IGNORE the Greek grammar of the passage! I have done a detailed study from the grammar that is 100% conclusive that John did write the entire verse 7, as God had restored!
     
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    Neither of those.

    There is One God
    That One God speaks, and thereby creates
    That One God breathes and gives life

    How exactly His Word is personified is a mystery
    How exactly His Breath is personified is a mystery

    I can assure you this - the Word of God doesn't do any unassisted thinking, and the Breath of God (Holy Spirit) doesn't do any unassisted thinking.
     
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    verse 27 answers this, "ὅτι υἱὸς ἀνθρώπου ἐστίν". Relating to the Incarnate Jesus Christ and not as Yahweh!
     
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    Yes I understand you believe the passage genuinely belongs. But others should have the facts to make their decisions. I put that there for Jon's benefit.
     
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    so you believe the Holy Spirit is a created being? not YHWH?
     
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    but what are these so called "facts"? instead of banging on about the so called "Greek manuscripts", it is far more important to acknowledge that it is absent from KNOWN Greek manuscripts! The Greek as dictated by God the Holy Spirit cannot be wrong.
     
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    so it seems you reject the hypostatic union. You've created static between the human and the divine within the Son of God
     
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    You might do well to read what I've written.
    It would also do you some good if you would just simply admit you don't understand some of the scriptures
     
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    clearly out of your depth on your Christology! you accuse me of things that you don't even understand!
     
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    Jesus Christ is the eternal God, YHWH, and He in His Incarnate Person as the God-Man, while on earth, prayed to the Father, Who is also the eternal God, Yahweh. Now 2 Gods, but One Godhead and Three distinct Persons.

    Jesus' limited knowledge is because He often said and did things that pertain to His Divine nature as God; and other times His Human nature, as Man. Hence He can be tired and hungry and grow in Wisdom, and not have His Return as "revealed" to Him, which are true of His Human Nature. On the other hand, He claims to be God, as in John 8:24, 58, 10:28-30, accepts Worship many times, forgives sins. Claims equality to the Father. The Father addresses Jesus Christ as "God"; says to WORSHIP Him; and also addresses Jesus as THE CREATOR! etc, etc
     
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