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don't want a Christian nation
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Magnetic Poles
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I would not want to live in a Christian nation. I also would not want the 10Cs to be the law of the nation. Why? Because God gave us all free will. We have the right to worship other Gods. We have the right to work on the sabbath (who decides which day is the sabbath, btw?)
Are many Christian values good? No doubt. Do I want to impose someone's interpretation of what Christian law is on others? EMPHATICALLY NOT!
What if the Christian in power says you must baptize your babies because his or her version of Christianity demands it? What if the government dictates praying the rosary? Making a pilgrimage to Salt Lake City?
Keep religion and government totally separate!
Are many Christian values good? No doubt. Do I want to impose someone's interpretation of what Christian law is on others? EMPHATICALLY NOT!
What if the Christian in power says you must baptize your babies because his or her version of Christianity demands it? What if the government dictates praying the rosary? Making a pilgrimage to Salt Lake City?
Keep religion and government totally separate!
Because Jesus wants them in our hearts, not by force, but by choice. Jesus even goes so far as to chastise the Pharasees who display their faith practice in public for all to see. He tells us to go into our room and lock the door behind us and seek the Father privately. I think that Jesus would look upon copious public displays and see them in the same manner as the pharasees.
But truthfully, LE, Jesus wants faithful people who know the difference between yelling "Amen" in public and seeking God in the depth of our hearts in private. SO long as there are those people, like you, like me, like most of the folks on this board, then Jesus is truly alive in this world.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
"You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal." Exo 20:13-15 (NIV) These are - A: a good idea and should be covered by laws, or B: a bad idea and should not be covered by laws?
Some of you be careful here, if you answer A you might secretly really want a Christian nation to at least some degree after all 
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Mat 5:27-28 (NIV) ...But we really shouldn't have any laws against any sort of pornography because that would be imposing a religious view...??
....and it's way past
time here, so to be continued later
"You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal." Exo 20:13-15 (NIV) These are - A: a good idea and should be covered by laws, or B: a bad idea and should not be covered by laws?
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Mat 5:27-28 (NIV) ...But we really shouldn't have any laws against any sort of pornography because that would be imposing a religious view...??
....and it's way past
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The Ten Commandments are not "Christian" per se. They were given to Israel, not the rest of the world. We do well to try and obey them but let's not forget they were given to Israel and are not Christian.Originally posted by Pete:
hmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
"You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal." Exo 20:13-15 (NIV) These are - A: a good idea and should be covered by laws, or B: a bad idea and should not be covered by laws?Some of you be careful here, if you answer A you might secretly really want a Christian nation to at least some degree after all
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Mat 5:27-28 (NIV) ...But we really shouldn't have any laws against any sort of pornography because that would be imposing a religious view...??
....and it's way pasttime here, so to be continued later
What about "thou shalt not covet" or "thou shalt not make a graven image" or "keep the sabbath day holy"?
Looking at the whole of the 10C's it's clear that these are not intende to be laws of man to be enforced by legislation, but laws of God that are to be adopted in men's hearts.
The Ten Commandments are not "Christian" per se. They were given to Israel, not the rest of the world. We do well to try and obey them but let's not forget they were given to Israel and are not Christian. </font>[/QUOTE]Jesus affirmed the "law", which includes the Ten Commandments, in the Sermon on the Mount.Originally posted by King James:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pete:
hmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
"You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal." Exo 20:13-15 (NIV) These are - A: a good idea and should be covered by laws, or B: a bad idea and should not be covered by laws?Some of you be careful here, if you answer A you might secretly really want a Christian nation to at least some degree after all
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Mat 5:27-28 (NIV) ...But we really shouldn't have any laws against any sort of pornography because that would be imposing a religious view...??
....and it's way pasttime here, so to be continued later
That's good enough for me.
Magnetic Poles
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Well, if it wasn't for coveting, the entire capitalist economy would go KABOOM!
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Jesus affirming the Law has nothing to do with it being Christian. It was given to Israel.
Well, you're gonna get one sometime in the future, and if you don't want it you either are gonna be mighty miserable OR somewhere else!
Personally I can't wait!!
MARANATHA!!!!
To go back to the OP:
I think it depends how you define a "Christian nation". I do not want a nation that is ruled as a theocracy, Christian or not. I do not want the government telling me how, when, and where to worship. It would be a nightmare, and I fear the mainline denominations would be in control, making it pretty rough on us.
However, if by "Christian nation" you mean a nation of people that turn to the One Living God, the God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac, when things turn bad, I am all for it. If you mean a nation that is focused on God's eternal law. A nation that turns from wickedness and seeks God's face, I am all for it. If you mean a nation made up of Bible believing, God fearing, people; I am all for it.
I think it depends how you define a "Christian nation". I do not want a nation that is ruled as a theocracy, Christian or not. I do not want the government telling me how, when, and where to worship. It would be a nightmare, and I fear the mainline denominations would be in control, making it pretty rough on us.
However, if by "Christian nation" you mean a nation of people that turn to the One Living God, the God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac, when things turn bad, I am all for it. If you mean a nation that is focused on God's eternal law. A nation that turns from wickedness and seeks God's face, I am all for it. If you mean a nation made up of Bible believing, God fearing, people; I am all for it.
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If Christ affirmed it, it's Christian. </font>[/QUOTE]Christ also affirmed hating your parents and gouging out your eyes.
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Originally posted by just-want-peace:
Well, you're gonna get one sometime in the future, and if you don't want it you either are gonna be mighty miserable OR somewhere else!
Personally I can't wait!!
MARANATHA!!!! [/QUOTE
That won't be a Christian nation. That will be heaven.
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OK LE....well I see what you are saying. I just never thought of it as a "Christian Nation".