Featured Dr. D. Wallace's View of Election

Yet another attack directed at me, rather than addressing the Mounce rewrite of 2 Thess. 2:13.

The fact is simple, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 teaches our election for salvation was conditional, through faith in the truth. To avoid this, Calvinists rewrite the verse, changing a noun into a verb. But actual mainline translations, and scholar like Dr. Wallace reject this agenda driven translation.

 

Yet another false assertion, with no quote to support it. The poster simply posts falsehood after falsehood to cover over the fact that Dr. Wallace's view of election was shown to be in error by citing specific scriptures.

 

The HCSB translates 2 Thessaloni9ans 2:13 as "for salvation." So did Mounce in 2011. Do does Dr. Wallace.

What does it tell you when doctrine advocates seek agenda driven translations to support their view?

 

In Dr. Wallace's article (see posts #1 and #2) His first point asserts that if God chooses those who have chosen to believe in Jesus, then He is not choosing us, but we are choosing Him. This view is unwarranted; just because we profess to believe in Jesus does not require God to accept our faith, as demonstrated in Matthew 7 where folks say “Lord, Lord” but Jesus says, “depart, I never knew you.” Romans 9:16 clearly teaches fallen people can will to be saved, thus teaching the Calvinist claim all the lost hate God and never seek Him, is false theology.

Summary, the biblical doctrine of election is not Doctor Wallace’s doctrine of election, it is conditional, it occurs during our lifetime; God chose us individually out of this world, not before the foundation of the world, when He chose Christ. The only way I see to reconcile Ephesians 1:4, He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, with 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and John 15:19 and 1 Peter 2:9-10 and James 2:5 is to understand the phrase “He chose us in Him” as meaning He chose Christ to be His Redeemer, His Lamb of God (1 Peter 1:20) before the foundation of the world, and since you do not choose a Redeemer without a plan to redeem, God’s choice of Christ chose us corporately as a target group of His Redemption plan but not individually. Thus Paul is speaking to those who have been redeemed during their lives, and is letting them know of the many blessings they have received, the first one being the blessing that was directed toward them when God chose Christ.

 

Typical "taint so" post, devoid of anything other than insult.
Read posts 1 and 2 folks, the case was substantiated with scripture.

Summary, God chose us out of this world, thus we were in the world when chosen individually. He chose us for salvation through faith in the truth, a conditional election, 2 Thess. 2:13. Lost people will to be saved, Romans 9:15.