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Reference the prior sentence, it makes more sense that way. Let me rephrase though, "I spoke with an English major that I worked with last year, concerning the lack of use of the word "cannot" in modern English." Is that better?

Context son, context. That was in referencing the Bible and correctly quoting it and copying it. Nice try on the false accusation though... well no, not really.

A lie is a lie, bub. I will not apologize for calling it as it is. But, if you wish to get back to the OP, by all means, you first.

 

Don't know what your implications are but I'll say no. Rom 4:5 -- "But to him that worketh not, but believeth..." Believing is NOT works, friend.

skypair

 

Now you're catching on. Conversion, then regeneration.

skypair

 

1) A lie is a lie, thanks for admitting that.

2) I already told them

3) I am sure it will haunt me as it does all men. Romans 3:4

4) I already addressed the thread.

5) Being called out in a sin shouldn't be insulting, but humbling.

 

I certainly feel it is out of line. I'll not be reading much of what he has to say in the future.... one is because of his slander of you Rippon.... the other is because of his faulty view of his "perfect" bible.

 

Woe is me. I shall count my loss.

 

Saying one thing and meaning another, on purpose, is deceit, which is lying. BTW, having numbers to back you will not justify your sin.

Your take doesn't count, only the take of the Bible. I can prove a lie is a sin. You cannot prove correcting someone in a blatant lie is a sin. In fact, we are called to do such.

You mean, your opinion of the KJV's mistranslation, based on your understanding.

The rest of your exposition is an effort to support Calvin and belittle what the Bible clearly teaches, salvation for all.

 

The "obvious" reading of Scripture is "all", for that is what Scripture says.

The Greek word translated as "will" is thelema (G2307). It means "desire" or "pleasure". It is "what God wishes".

In the Septuagint Greek Old Testament, that word is used to translate the Hebrew word chephets (H2656), which means "desire". For example:

And Hiram sent to Solomon, saying, 'I have considered the things which thou sentest to me for: and I will do all thy desire concerning timber of cedar, and concerning timber of fir. My servants shall bring them down from Lebanon unto the sea: and I will convey them by sea in floats unto the place that thou shalt appoint me, and will cause them to be discharged there, and thou shalt receive them: and thou shalt accomplish my desire, in giving food for my household. So Hiram gave Solomon cedar trees and fir trees according to all his desire.'
1 Kings 5:9-10​

But what God wishes & desires for mankind to do is rarely — never (Rom 3:23) apart from the Grace of God — what mankind does do.

Mankind can reject God's Will.

Please watch this. In Eden, God commanded Adam:

And YHWH God commanded the man, saying, 'Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:'
Gen 2:16-17​

But then

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:6
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Or, how about this:

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Ex 20:14​

But then:

And David sent and enquired after the woman. And one said, 'Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house.
2 Samuel 11:3-4​

God's will can be thwarted and rejected. That is called sin. It's the whole problem.


You are NOT reading Scripture.

God does not say, "none will be lost", but rather it is His desire/pleasure/wish/will that none be lost.

Those extra "modifiers" in the sentence change (modify) the meaning.

You are not reading carefully.

This is your "eisegesis", and is not directly related to the Scriptures you cite.

 

Your threats and ramblings do little to sway the facts, although it is a typical smokescreen. Respect from mortal man is not a great concern of mine, but thanks for the warning.

 

If someone tells me to do something, there is typically some weight behind it. I guess not in your case.

okay

Not possible. "Anything" is so inclusive.

I don't. We all fail quit adequately ourselves.

sometimes. but your opinion is biased, for obviously it is clear to yourself.

everyone? are you lying again? you told me not to read into anything, but that is very hard to take as-is.

should i require you to do the same in every thread? you too would fail.or do you not count? wait, are you moderating now?

no interaction, :tear: that must be it, im just lonely.

 

Was it YHWH-God's plan for Adam to disobey His commandment, and to eat of the forbidden fruit, and be expelled from Paradise?

To wit, YHWH-God gave a command, but purposed for that command to be violated?

"No means yes" with YHWH-God?!?!

 

The desires of mankind are often not the desires of YHWH-God:

'For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways', saith YHWH.
Isaiah 55:8

And they said, 'There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.'
Jeremiah 18:12​

I agree that YHWH-God has only to say, "let it be", and it is (Gen 1). YHWH-God's purposes always come to pass. But, do you know what His purposes are? Are you certain that YHWH-God's will = save elect, elect only some, etc??

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.
Romans 11:33-36​

"Wielding Scripture" is a mighty task. It is not easy. But, we are not directly dealing with the issue. Your Scriptures show that God's Will is not thwarted...

but you are logically assuming, w/o proving from Scripture, that Calvinist doctrine = God's Will...

and that is a gargantuan assumption (!!).


In Psalm 33:11, the LXX reads, "But the counsel of the Lord to the eon abides". The word "counsel" is boule (G1012). This very word appears, amongst other places in the NT, in Hebrews 6:17, "Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of His counsel, confirmed [it] by an oath."

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John 6 (NASB)
37 "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will certainly not cast out.
38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.
39 "This is the will of Him who sent me, that of all that He has given me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
40 "For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I myself will raise him up on the last day."​

(1) The English word "will" is translated from the Greek word thelema (G2307), which means "will, desire, pleasure".

(2) The Greek word thelema (G2307) appears 37 times in the Greek Old Testament (LXX). There, it represents the Hebrew word khafets (H2656) from the Hebrew Old Testament (Masoretic).

khafets (H2656) means "delight, pleasure".

CONCLUSION: It is YHWH-God's khafets ("desire") that the Messiah lose none of those God gives to him, so that they receive ever-lasting life and be raised up on the Last Day.

Psalm 33 (NASB)
10 YHWH nullifies the counsel of the nations;
He frustrates the plans of the peoples.
11 The counsel of YHWH stands forever,
The plans of His heart from generation to generation. ​

The English word "counsel" is translated from the Hebrew word atsa (H6098), which means "counsel, advice, purpose". It comes from the root ya'ats (H3289) meaning "purpose, devise, plan".

In the Greek Old Testament (LXX), the Greek word boule (G1012) is used.

Isaiah 14 (NASB)
27 For YHWH of hosts has planned, and who can frustrate it? And as for His stretched-out hand, who can turn it back?​

The English word "planned" is translated from the Hebrew word ya'ats (H3289) meaning "purpose, devise, plan". To wit, this is the same root as that above, in Psalm 33:10-11.

In the Greek Old Testament (LXX), the Greek word be-bouleutai (G1011) is used. To wit, this comes from the same root as that above.

Daniel 4 (NASB)
All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing,
But He does according to His will in the host of heaven
And among the inhabitants of earth;
And no one can ward off His hand
Or say to Him, 'What have You done?'​

The English word "will" is translated from the Hebrew word tsebah (H6634), and is a verb meaning "to desire, to be pleased, to will".

In the Greek Old Testament (LXX), the Greek word thelema (G2307) is used. This is the same Greek word that is used in John 6:39-40.


CONCLUSION: The khafets ("desire, pleasure") of YHWH-God in John 6:39-40 is unrelated to the atsa ("counsel, advice, purpose"), ya'ats ("purpose, devise, plan"), and tsebah ("desire, pleasure, to will") of the three passages quoted in support of Calvinist doctrine.

Therefore, no doctrinal conclusions can be drawn from these comparisons, which are extraneous. The apparent relevance of these passages is an illusion, an artifact of English translation. But doctrinal details cannot rest on the flimsy foundation of mere English translation. For such matters, you must delve back into the original languages.


CONCESSION: tsebah in Daniel 4:35 does seem similar in meaning to the words used in John 6:39-40. And the Greek words are identical. It is likely that Daniel 4:35 is relevant to John 6:39-40.