Originally posted by time like this:
Hello time like this. Can’t tell for sure who you addressed this to, but it looks as it could be to mine. So I will give you an answer.
If we as beleivers do not celebrate the jewish passover which is Jesus. Then how do we and where do we recieve our NT observance of passover as being at a different time from that of the jews.
We don’t, and we shouldn’t observe what is not for us. We are neither in the Jewish religion, nor the Pentecostal religion but we are Christians in a Baptist church. The Christian is by grace, through faith with no work. He did, and does all of the work. Consequences are in order when we try to do the work that He has done, and will do when we believe and are circumcised, and baptized without hands, coming through the blood, washed and sealed until we meet Him in the air.
Since the thing we reject was not jewish but from God, before there was a law(torah). I beleive walk on sandy foundations when we distance ourselves from our biblical roots and their natural symbolisms as passed to man from God. Christian is just an english way of saying messias (Mashiach)in the hebrew tongue.
Yes, but now we are in that secret time that no one knew about but God. It is all about His grace now until the rapture. The fallen angels cannot obtain His grace, or any earthlings in any other dispensation. The only way that we know these things is by the gospel of Paul. Christ gave Paul his gospel, just as He gave Moses his law. The Bible says it is Moses’ law, for God chose Moses to deliver it, and certain ordinances to His nation.
We quickly abandoned any and everything of judaism yet we quickly embrace traditions of western thought as they originate from heathen nations. we say we are free to do this by grace because we are not under the law/torah (teachings). I have know plans to offer sacrafice of my own jesus has done that once and for all for all and it is everlasting. Yet in the traditions of written judaism we see the prophetic history of our faith and it ever speaks of the grace of God that we now have in Christ Jesus. We so often accuse one another of trying to live under the law, and not to take part in ot celebrations yet the ones that are man made, and the dates certain men have decided to adopt that we all know originated out of paganism rituals that israel was constantly told to separate from have now become holy by grace. Yet if i celebrate the passover in the same season as jews do I will be looked upon as a heretic or without understanding of the principles of grace.Judaism is not man made but a pattern given to moses from God. Why is wrong to refrence these traditions as long as we are not denying Christ but acknowledging the path by which he came and the grace that is shown in the shadows and types.
I agree with you on many things, and that most people today do accept the pagan Holy Days. Before the turn of the 20th Century, Baptist’s did not accept Christmas as a Holy Day, nor did the Methodist or the Presbyterians, and perhaps some others. It all sounds so good, but from a very young age I felt something was wrong in our two Holy Days. Over the years with Gods leading, I found His Word is used to form incorrect reasoning, along with our mentality of following the masses, wishing to show by our doing just how much we really love God.
God laughs, the unsaved laugh, and the pious that do their duty twice a year are surely vindicated. Yet all in the Body of Christ are saved, but where will the rewards come from.
Neither are we in forty years of wandering, or forty days, or forty days and nights in anything. Forty has no connection what ever with us today. We don’t find forty in our New Testament other than in reference to His nation, or a Jew, or in prophecy, and we don’t live in prophecy. But lots of preachers fit this into their sermons, gatherings, workbooks, etc.
Israel was tested, and Jesus was tested. They lived in the time of the “schoolmaster”, the law - a curse. We do not. He offers us salvation today without law or commanded ordinances of do, or else. This is pure Grace of God. Believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and we will be saved.
Because of the Jew, we Gentiles are now in Christ. We should be ever so thankful to them. Jesus Christ came to us through the Jew, and He was a Jew. He is our foundation, which is not sand. But Religion is for those that have a religion, and religious rites they must perform. We don’t have to have water baptism; we don’t have to have the Passover, Christmas, Easter or any other Holy day. We are to have only one ritual, and it is not mandatory for salvation.
He asked us to remember him in only one way. It is not a command, it is not an ordinance, and it is not Passover. He lives, and because He lives, we live. We are to remember why we live. We are to do as He requests. They ate bread after the meal, and they drank wine. He asked that we do the same when we remember Him. The dead do not eat bread and drink wine.
His twelve apostles are asked to join Him at His table in his kingdom, and He will eat bread with them again. Don’t you know as they drank their wine they were looking forward to being with Him again, and then Christ Jesus can again enjoy that glass of wine that He has foregone these many years. This vow He took is finished. What a celebration that will be.
How about we in the Body of Christ? We’re gonna’ be there. I’m also looking forward to eating bread with Him and that glass of wine He asked me to have will be so much better because then He will again be able to enjoy this pleasure at the Head table with His magistrates over Israel. But the celebration is His, those that were with Him in His temptations. It is their party, and all the invitations have not yet been sent out, or acknowledged that all will be there.
We are to remember Him as He requests in the manner he prescribed, and He will remember to invite us to the party. Looking at those that really think what the Catholic church told them to do, viz. observe some idols Holy Day that is no where near when Mary brought Him forth. Will they be invited to the Party? I don’t know.
Looking at those that really think Jesus was crucified on a Friday, don’t really care, but do it because the Catholic church said so, but most do not know this either. Will they be invited to the Party? I really don’t know.
But we are not to believe lies. Paul says the Christian is to have the mind of Christ. Christ knows when He became flesh, and knows to the hour and the day that He died. He also knows and told us how long He would be in the earth. But I do not find where He ever asks that we observe His birth.
We have a pretty good idea of the month He was born in and it is many moons from the heathen Christ-mass, and we should know that “mass” is for the dead??
The Bible tells us the hour and the day He was laid in the tomb, and when the stone was rolled to cover. Since we know this, we know at what time and what day He arose. But just about all Christendom is ignorant of these facts, and do not want to hear any dissenting voices. They have been told all their lives what to believe by man, and they believe just like the teenagers that tell their parents, “but..but everybody does it”. I’ll be an outcast, and nobody will like me”. “Your out of date, and old fashioned”. I freely admit they are right, and that fits me to a “T”. I go back to the Bible, not beginning where man decided the church needed more outward show to show the world their piety, and to add new members.
But we as Christians need to ask some questions. I wonder why Jesus didn’t give us a definite day that He was born, and tell us to make us a Holy Day to worship Him?
I wonder why He didn’t leave instructions for us to mourn in on a certain day, and then rejoice on a certain day to remember His death, and His resurrection?
I believe the only explanation is He doesn’t want us to. Does God have a beginning? No, so we are to worship Him from the beginning of our days until the ending of our days.
Does He have an ending? No! But He was wounded for our sakes. Nowhere does He ask that we pick an hour, a day, a week, a month, and a year to remember His wounding. He says you are free, and you have liberty in me and as oft as you eat the bread and drink the cup of wine, do it in remembrance of me. We have an automatic invite to His Celebration Party with His Apostles at His Table, and He will eat bread and drink wine with them. I don't believe the bread will run out, or the wine, but we don't want to come late to the party.
I like that we are discussing this and not fighting with scriptures.
I also, but what we say must agree with scripture. Christian faith, ituttut, Galatians 1:12
