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"Easy-beievism"
- Thread starter Salty
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evenifigoalone
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Pretty much in agreement with the OP.
I don't believe salavation is hard to get if you're sincere--but living a Christian life on the other hand? That's hard to do.
I don't believe salavation is hard to get if you're sincere--but living a Christian life on the other hand? That's hard to do.
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Easy believism often refers to simply a mental assent to Christ without either a call or or understanding that salvation and belief in Christ means that we are repenting of being against God and will now live for Him.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deluding your own selves.
23 For if any one is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a mirror:
24 for he beholdeth himself, and goeth away, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But he that looketh into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and so continueth, being not a hearer that forgetteth but a doer that worketh, this man shall be blessed in his doing. Ja 1
:thumbsup: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2014269#post2014269
preacher4truth
Active Member
What's the cause of true faith?
Tom Butler
New Member
Seems to me that easy-believeism de-emphasizes repentance, a Godly sorrow for one's sin and a desire to turn from it.
To me, repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin. They go together.
To me, repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin. They go together.
A few years ago now a IFB Pastor was pestering me to believe in JC as my lord & savior. So I told him I did believe. I was then told thats all I really needed for my salvation....so I told him thanks & now take a hike (that pastor was my brother).
He really didnt have a clue did he?
thisnumbersdisconnected
New Member
Irrelevant to the discussion. He's not asking about the "cause" of faith, he's asking about the effect of faith.
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It might surprise many of you who have recently disparaged Dr. Billy Graham that he is also concerned about "easy-believism."
Not exactly what some of you expect from Dr. Graham, I'm sure. This won't keep you from insisting he's a heretic, though.
preacher4truth
Active Member
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
It fits perfectly into the discussion which is about belief, and which is mentioned in the OP. Pay attention, I believe your disdain is blinding you. :thumbs:
Good grief guys he is asking how you define easy believism. He is not asking for cause or effect those are off topic in this thread.
thisnumbersdisconnected
New Member
Salty's post simply states ...
Nothing there about the "cause" of any of it. Only the definition. So please, let's not try to turn this into yet another wasted-space Calvinist debate, ok? Thanks in advance.
preacher4truth
Active Member
Easy-believism and true belief are all about cause and effect, so actually it's right on topic. :thumbsup:
preacher4truth
Active Member
You see that word 'believing' up there? The OP is about believing, specifically easy believism. So my question is pertinent - 'What's the cause of true faith'? Just in case you don't know 'faith' is 'belief'.
When we answer that then we'll be getting somewhere. All you're doing is derailing the thread because you don't like the question.
By the way, nothing I've stated has a thing to do with Calvinism. :wavey:
thisnumbersdisconnected
New Member
I have no problem with the question. I have a problem with every thread on this forum except in Sports and Clean Humor eventually becoming about Calvinism.
You say so ...
preacher4truth
Active Member
Oh, now you all of a sudden have no problem with the question when you said otherwise and that it is 'irrelevant'? :laugh: :laugh:
Yes, that's right, 'I say so'. Leave off unfounded accusations. OK?
thisnumbersdisconnected
New Member
Nice move. Not very well executed, though. Because most will realize you left out what I do have a problem with, which was the next sentence in the post.
Kind of like our pretend president saying "If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it." Reality is more telling than intent.
We've derailed Salty's thread with this exchange. Feel free to continue it on PM and let the thread recuperate, please.
I don't see how you can rationally discuss what "easy believism" is and why it is wrong without first defining what is the true nature of saving faith? You cannot define the true nature of saving faith from a Calvinistic point of vew without defining its cause and effects simply because "easy believism" does not have the same cause or effect as true saving faith.
So to accuse someone of derailing this thread simply because they bring into this discussion the true nature of "repentance" like one writer did or the "cause" of faith like another writer did is really refusing to allow anyone to first define saving faith in regard to its essential characteristics in order to show what is wrong with "easy believism." Indeed, the issue of "cause" in regard to "easy" believism is a very critical characteristic to distinguish and define true saving faith from "easy" believism.
Likewise, the issue of repentance and rightly defining "repentance" and its relationship to faith is critical to properly defining true saving faith and distinguishing it from "easy believism." Indeed the very word "easy" calls for a critical examination of the cause of true saving faith in order to distinguish it from "EASY believism."
So to accuse someone of derailing this thread simply because they bring into this discussion the true nature of "repentance" like one writer did or the "cause" of faith like another writer did is really refusing to allow anyone to first define saving faith in regard to its essential characteristics in order to show what is wrong with "easy believism." Indeed, the issue of "cause" in regard to "easy" believism is a very critical characteristic to distinguish and define true saving faith from "easy" believism.
Likewise, the issue of repentance and rightly defining "repentance" and its relationship to faith is critical to properly defining true saving faith and distinguishing it from "easy believism." Indeed the very word "easy" calls for a critical examination of the cause of true saving faith in order to distinguish it from "EASY believism."
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Of course that way you can turn it into a cal thread
In regard to the term "easy" how does this relate to true saving faith? It would seem logical that the cause or source or origin of true saving faith must be first established in order to rationally deal with this very designation "easy."
Is saving faith "easy" so that there are no obstacles such as "no man can come to me except the father draw them." Is saving faith "easy" meaning every human being has inherent ability to believe? Is saving faith "easy" so that no creative work of God is essential to its origin or existence as in 2 Cor. 4:6? How is this off topic or derailing this thread? The only way I can rationally see bringing in the subject of "cause" is (1) you don't want to deal with the term "easy" and/or (2) you want to close this thread to all Calvinists??? Is that the case?
preacher4truth
Active Member
No, what you had a problem with was my initial post that said 'What's the cause of true faith' to which you responded with this:
So your premise that you were dealing with 'the next sentence' is absolutely false.
Now, if you feel the need to PM me, feel free.
My question is on OP. We're talking about belief. Specifically 'easy believism' to which I ask 'What's the cause of true faith'. Faith is belief.