eating out on Sundays

[rbell]

I used to be a sportswriter for a newspaper.

Using this argument, no one should buy a Monday paper.

You cause the newspaper staff to have to work on Sunday.

 

[corndogggy]

I used to be a sportswriter for a newspaper.

Using this argument, no one should buy a Monday paper.

You cause the newspaper staff to have to work on Sunday.

Were you forced to miss church due to working? Did this not bother you if so?

 

[rbell]

I was able to attend on Wednesdays. Yes, it did bother me, but I was putting myself through school. I had three jobs, working 60 hours a week. I had to pay the bills.

But, if the logic for eating out is good, then should anyone buy a paper on Mondays?

 

[Gib]

What about Christian:

Police
Firefighters
Doctors
EMT's
Border Patrol
Military Personnel

I'm glad they work on Sundays and are able to find places to eat during their shift.

 

[rbell]

I have an acquaintance who's a chaplain for a pro football team. The scoundrels won't let him off Sundays. :tongue3:

 

[EdSutton]

My family's standard is "We try not to buy and sell on the Lord's Day." We never eat out on Sunday unless we are traveling, and that may have occurred five times in the past twenty five years.

I have seen people forced to neglect church because of an employer's decision to begin requiring Sunday work, and I've seen spiritual shipwreck ensue. These things are real.

Ever wonder how our ancestors could have understood so little, and how it came to be that we are so enlightened? We can discard the traditions of many centuries and still dwarf those old-timers with the level of our Christian character and our power with God. raying:

Uh- isn't every day the Lord's day??

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

3. This would mean going back to leaving the roast in the oven and folks leaving Church early so dinner don't burn.

I thought that's why they invented crackpots -'er I mean crock pots. :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[corndogggy]

So basically, what I'm hearing is that not working on Sundays is simply an outdated romantic notion that has no value anymore, right?

 

[EdSutton]

Regardless of those excuses, what about the morality? Alot of people simply think it's wrong to work on a sunday. If that's true, which I believe it is, why is it ok for them to make other people work for them on Sunday's, as long as they're not the ones doing it? This question goes beyond restaurants, and could encompass going to Lowe's, or the mall, or whatever.

1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose[b] and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.[c] (Rom. 14: 1-10 - NKJV)

Would you consider Scripture and these verses specifically, as one of the "excuses"? How about, then, as to what "Alot (sic) of people think..."? Doesn't this say something about that? Seems to me it does.

How about these?

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.
6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it[b] with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[c] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not[d] seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
20 Therefore,[e] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh. (Col. 2: 4-23 - NKJV)

You did see the bit about "sabbaths" there in Col 2:16, right? Any other questions??

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Restaurants provide a vital public service on Sundays. Think of travellers, for example. Firefighters, police, doctors, etc., also perform vital public services on Sundays.

There is no law that says we MUST attend services or that our "day of rest" MUST be on Sundays.

Equally, there is no law that says we MUST hold services on Sundays.

MANY churches of every denomination hold services at other times.

It is sillly to think that everyone even so much as thinks that Sundays are for attendance at services, or that they think you are sinning by eating out on that day.

Enjoy the restaurant. You are likely rubbing up with the unchurched. One person in a church I went to years ago came to Christ through the love of Christians shown her while waitressing on Sundays.

Take eating out on Sunday as an opportunity to not only show Christ to the unchurched where they naturally are, but to move away from the misguided mindset that says Sunday is the only day for services. Being the "church," the ekklesia, is a LOT more than which "church building" you may happen to go to on Sunday mornings.

Go where the unchurched are. Yes, on Sundays. Love people. Take a sincere interest in them and their own concerns in life. Be Jesus to them.

Okay, nuff said! God forbid this duscussion even needs to go on anymore.!

Good summary!

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Eating out on Sundays

I never cease to be amazed at the things we find to argue over.

Keep on moderatin'! :thumbs: I'm sure you'll find some more in the future.
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And probably not the far distant future, at that! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Those of you who dismiss the subject, have you ever really been in that situation yourself??? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I bet most of you haven't.

Actually, I have. I'm a farmer, and guess what? The cows have exactly the same appetite on a Saturday or a Sunday as on a Tuesday or a Wednesday. And BTW, if they get out on a Sunday, it ain't usually to "go to church"!

Ed

 

[corndogggy]

Actually, I have. I'm a farmer, and guess what? The cows have exactly the same appetite on a Saturday or a Sunday as on a Tuesday or a Wednesday. And BTW, if they get out on a Sunday, it ain't usually to "go to church"!

Do your cows force you to regularly skip church and work all day? I'm guessing not. Why? Because I grew up in a farming community. My grandfather raised cows, we built our house in a cow pasture, fencing them off of course. The people across the road from me farmed cows. The people on the farm behind me raised cows. Cows cows and more cows everywhere, thousands of acres. You know what? Every one of those guys were always in both Sunday school and church and was around for fellowships afterwards.

Obviously my biggest problem isn't the fact that any work is done on a Sunday, it's the fact that I don't want to be a part of forcing people to skip church for no good reason other than my own pleasure.

 

[rbell]

But you haven't refuted what I thought was a very good point:

Sunday AM is not the only time that "church" happens.

What if you go another time? Doesn't that "count?"

 

[pinoybaptist]

No, but that's just shifting the blame and not confronting the moral issue in any meaningful way.

But, corndoggy, how do you know that all church people require that no work be done by anyone on Sundays ?
So you see, what you're doing is putting blame on everybody.
If you personally know the church people that makes you work because they come to your place of work on Sundays to eat out with their families and you personally know that their doctrine is that no work be done on Sundays, then confront them. That's fair.

But to complain here in the Baptist Board like everybody here thinks it is sinful to work on Sundays is unfair.

 

[corndogggy]

But to complain here in the Baptist Board like everybody here thinks it is sinful to work on Sundays is unfair.

Quite honestly I thought that all baptists were at least "supposed" to think that you shouldn't work on Sundays if you can keep from it.

Also wanted to point out that I haven't been in this situation in over 10 years, just wondered what other people thought.

 

[Spoudazo]

I try not to go out to eat on Sundays.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Why are you singling out restaurant workers?

Shouldn't the doctors, nurses, hospital staff, nursing home workers, policemen, firemen, paramedics, etc. be allowed to stay home on Sunday too?

Eating out is optional. Medical, police and fire protection are essential services.

That said, didn't Jesus have something to say about those who were overly strict about working on the sabbath. Yes, I know Sunday is not the sabbath, but serves that purpose in the majority of Christendom.

How many watch TV or listen to radio on Sunday? You are making the staff of those businesses work on Sunday by creating demand for the services.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Quite honestly I thought that all baptists were at least "supposed" to think that you shouldn't work on Sundays if you can keep from it.

I don't think there is a "Baptist Pope" telling people what they are "supposed" to think.

 

[ACADEMIC]

Also, you would be forcing your wife to work on Sunday to prepare a meal because you don't want to eat out.

I cook three squares a day, six days a week. You betcha I enjoy eating out on Sunday!

ROFL....

"And ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I hearby rest my case."

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