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End of The Spear, homoexual activist stars.

LadyEagle

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Thanks for posting this, I just tuned in!
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natters

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I honestly don't get it: You avoid a film (and argue against others that don't share your view) because it has an actor who is a gay activist, although nothing in the movie itself promotes homosexuality - yet you have no problem watching a show like Larry King Live, where the same actor appears, and homosexuality is promoted in the show.

What's wrong with this picture? How is the first wrong, but the second isn't?
 

Bunyon

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The problem is that a Christian company has allowed Mr. Saints legacy to be used by Mr. Chad Allen to further his radical gay agenda. It is real simple.
 

whatever

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natters asks a good question. Why is it OK to watch Chad Allen on "Larry King Live" but not in "End Of The Spear"?
 

LadyEagle

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Originally posted by whatever:
natters asks a good question. Why is it OK to watch Chad Allen on "Larry King Live" but not in "End Of The Spear"?
I was more interested in what Dr. Mohler had to say on Larry King, personally, and I believe he gave a good testimony for Jesus Christ.

Now to answer your question, let me try to explain it to you. Chad Allen was being himself on Larry King. Chad Allen was not portraying a Christian on Larry King. Chad Allen, whose personal life is an affront to Almighty God, portrays a Christian in the movie.

What is being forgotten here is very simple: Chad Allen did not seek the role of playing Nate/Steve Saint in the movie.

It was the other way around. Christians sought him out to play the part of a Christian martyr, based on an article they read in a gay magazine.


If you can't see what is wrong with THAT picture, the BIG picture, then I can't explain it to you. But if you ask the Lord to explain it to you, the Holy Spirit will reveal it to you, if you really want to know the answer.
 

whatever

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Originally posted by LadyEagle:
I was more interested in what Dr. Mohler had to say on Larry King, personally, and I believe he gave a good testimony for Jesus Christ.
I agree, and I can buy that. I wish people were posting more about what Mohler said on TV and less about what Allen said on TV, though.

Now to answer your question, let me try to explain it to you. Chad Allen was being himself on Larry King. Chad Allen was not portraying a Christian on Larry King. Chad Allen, whose personal life is an affront to Almighty God, portrays a Christian in the movie.

What is being forgotten here is very simple: Chad Allen did not seek the role of playing Nate/Steve Saint in the movie.

It was the other way around. Christians sought him out to play the part of a Christian martyr, based on an article they read in a gay magazine.
So it's OK to watch a homosexual be a homosexual on TV, but it's wrong to watch a homosexual pretend to be a martyr in a movie, but only (or maybe especially) if so-called Christians ask the homosexual to pretend to be a martyr in the movie?

If you can't see what is wrong with THAT picture, the BIG picture, then I can't explain it to you. But if you ask the Lord to explain it to you, the Holy Spirit will reveal it to you, if you really want to know the answer.
This kind of reply is one of the reasons that I love the internet so.
 

Bunyon

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I am personally going to watch it. I think they guy can act. But the problems is now he has extra momentum in his cause because this "christian" company provided him with a bully pulpit.
 

LadyEagle

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I agree, and I can buy that. I wish people were posting more about what Mohler said on TV and less about what Allen said on TV, though.
So, as a Southern Baptist, do you agree with Dr. Mohler?
 

whatever

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Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I agree, and I can buy that. I wish people were posting more about what Mohler said on TV and less about what Allen said on TV, though.

So, as a Southern Baptist, do you agree with Dr. Mohler? </font>[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with his statement at the end of the show re: the gospel, and with his stance against homosexual "marriage", and with his statement that there's no need for a Christian to see the Brokeback Mountain movie (I think that's the name). I only caught the end of the King show so he may have said something earlier that I would disagree with.

If so, he's probably right.
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Johnv

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Originally posted by Bunyon:
I am personally going to watch it. I think they guy can act. But the problems is now he has extra momentum in his cause because this "christian" company provided him with a bully pulpit.
I concur with Bunyan 100%. While the issue of the bully pulpit is real and needs to be dealt with, the movie itself appears to be a worthy of viewing, and I therefore plan on seeing it. I should not have to face persecution from other Christians for doing so. Neither should I persecute other Christians who refrain.
 

Bartimaeus

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I found out a long time ago that God's methods are as important as His message. I also realized that ol'slough foot is constantly working to corrupt both the method and the message. Folks here on this thread are a mile wide and a foot deep because that corruption has tainted their position.
I submit that our Saviour was a fighter. He was one who would not submit. He fought many battles. He fought the culture of the day in which He lived. He fought the religious crowd publically by speaking the truth and naming them open graves and vipers. He fought against the powers of darkness by healing and raising the dead. He fought against His own desciples calling them "Boanerges" and "Satan" himself. He fought against the trafficing merchants who wanted to steal from the people at the temple. He battled against the devil with absolute finality, costing His own blood, defeated the devil, sin and the grave on the cross. He didn't preach all love and remember that God can and does hate and love the sinner at the same time. One more thing.....there is a difference in sins. Sinning against the Authority of God was different than sinning against the Holiness of God.
A simple study on the subject in scriptures will enlighten thee.
Thanks -----Bart
.....the dueling society was a polite society.
 

Linda64

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Here is a copy of an email I received today from a good friend in Grand Junction, CO--it is a letter from her pastor, concerning the movie "End of the Spear".

Beloved of God at Calvary,

I just finished research on the new "Christian" film coming out of Hollywood called "End of the Spear," the story of Nate Saint, the martyred Ecuadorian missionary in the early 1950's. I was excited to see such a story put on film, but I was skeptical because Hollywood was involved. Well, my spiritual antenna was up, and now I know it was, rightly so.

Sadly, Hollywood's attempt in the film is not to promote Christianity in any biblical way; rather, two things (1) dumb down the gospel of Christ, and (2) to bridge the gap between the homosexual community and the church.

It appears Nate Saint is played by a homosexual activist, Chad Allen, who makes no bones about criticizing the Bible and traditional Christianity. He works laboriously to discredit it in his personal life and activist lifestyle, mocking God's Law for life.

The point here is -- How can a Christian support this film with such a disreputable character portrayal with someone's lifestyle that God say is an abomination? My advice to the congregation is don't bless the film with your viewing, and tell others about the travesty committed by Hollywood in putting a homosexual activist to play Nate Saint, not to mention those pastor's who previewed the film who say, the gospel of Christ is dumbed down so much, it has no ture Christian value at all, biblically speaking.

I thought I'd pass this on, as I'm not going to become a film critic, nor make a radio broadcast of it as I did with the TV nonsense called "THE BOOK OF DANIEL." Hope this insight helps you in your decisions to be a responsible Christian, and to be careful of what is advertised as "Christian" for the Church to embrace. Needless to say, I'll not be viewing it, nor advocating its showing at Calvary.

God bless, see you Sunday,

Pastor Dennis

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Calvary Bible Church is the name of the church.

[ January 19, 2006, 12:05 AM: Message edited by: Linda64 ]
 
He fought against His own desciples calling them "Boanerges" and "Satan" himself.
Boanerges was not used by Jesus to fight against His disciples. Boanerges was the surname of James and John, given to them by Jesus, but it was not to fight against them.

Mark 3:17 And James the [son] of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:
 

Johnv

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Actually, their surname was Ben Rgaz, which is translated Son of Rage or Son of Thunder.

Boanerges is the Greek transliteration of that name. But since they were Jewish, their surname would have been in the Hebrew/Aramaic form.
 

rlbcompany

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I am very disappointed to hear about the homosexual elements involved in the making of the movie.

Nevertheless, it has been my experience that God can use anything, and I mean anything, to bring glory to Himself.

David's sin with Bathsheeba brought Solomon and ultimately Christ through the birthline. Jacob's life was full of deception and trickery and God used it all to continue the line to Christ.

God even spoke through a donkey. If he can speak through a donkey, he can speak through a movie that has a homosexual in the lead role. He may even through the role and the relationship with the Saint family speak to the actor.

My family will see the movie. We will glorify God in the wonderful story it portrays.

I invited my pastor to see the movie with me. He is probably unaware of the homosexual elements as well, but I will still take he and his wife if they would still like to go.
 
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