End times thoughts.....

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I myself never agreed with John Nelson Darby but usually you cannot say that aloud in an Evangelical or Fundamentalist church. England burned a lot of people at the stake over theological issues and the people who disagree with you on the internet often like to attack you personally instead of debating the issue. I myself ignore Hagee and have ignored him for about twenty years.

I was looking at him on TV on Sunday. Was there ever a time that guy wasn’t a big fat boll of jelly???

 

[tyndale1946]

It’s like buying a kitchen appliance, allot of them are cheap crap that falls apart in a year or so..... but you knew that going in, so you throw that one out and go buy another piece of crap and do it over again.... ah yes, eschatological trash.... and we keep buying it and buying it cause it looks pretty and it fits that place on the “counter of life.”

I agree and a lot of brethren have come out of something... Me I never did... There is no doubt in my mind that the Bible teaches the Resurrection of the Dead of the just and the unjust when the Lord comes again... The doctrines of men have messed up the rest... Enough said!... Brother Glen

 

[Yeshua1]

Partly. Rahab has not neither was Ruth.

Paul stated that he was born a Jew though, correct? he HAD to be Jewish to be the Messiah, no Gentile!

 

[Yeshua1]

For the father's sakes, many have been converted and more to come. But only by faith in Christ will they be reattached to Israel.

“Granted! They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but fear!” (Romans 11:20) (NET)


“And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.” (Romans 11:23) (NET)


“And in this way all Israel [Jews and Gentiles through faith] will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”” (Romans 11:26–27) (ESV)

There is national/physical israel, the Unsaved jews, and Spiritual israel, the saved out Jews/Gentiles!

 

[Yeshua1]

Hagee denies that Jesus ever said that He is the Christ so he is not an orthodox (small letter) Christian. Falwell has a larger organization, I think.

Jesus stated that he was the Messiah of Israel, so Jesus was right, and hagee is wrong!

 

[Yeshua1]

Having spent the first 20 years of my Christian life as a Dispensationalist, I never heard such extreme views as helping along the prophetic clock. Of course, having left Dispensationalism it is easy for me to be critical of the system but I still need to treat it fairly and not create a boogie man.

There are many who hold to Dispy theology who would deem Hagee into Heresy for holding to his views!

 

[Wesley Briggman]

It’s like buying a kitchen appliance, allot of them are cheap crap that falls apart in a year or so..... but you knew that going in, so you throw that one out and go buy another piece of crap and do it over again.... ah yes, eschatological trash.... and we keep buying it and buying it cause it looks pretty and it fits that place on the “counter of life.”

I agree. "We" being the Amillennialist.

 

[1689Dave]

There is national/physical israel, the Unsaved jews, and Spiritual israel, the saved out Jews/Gentiles!

National Israel is not biblical Israel. Christendom is. But just as any nation has God's elect among them, many ethnic "Jews" are grafted back into Israel through faith in Christ. You are a member of Israel through faith. Unbelievers of any stamp, "Jewish" or Mormon, etc., are not.

Also consider this. The Jews who accepted Jesus remained Israel under Christ. Today's Jews are a false religion who exist for one reason only. Their hatred of Christ and his people. Had they also accepted Christ, they would not exist. They would all have become Christians just as Paul and the rest of the early church.

 

[Yeshua1]

National Israel is not biblical Israel. Christendom is. But just as any nation has God's elect among them, many ethnic "Jews" are grafted back into Israel through faith in Christ. You are a member of Israel through faith. Unbelievers of any stamp are not.

Also consider this. The Jews who accepted Jesus remained Israel under Christ. Today's Jews are a false religion who exist for one reason only. Their hatred of Christ and his people. Had they also accepted Christ, they would not exist. They would all have become Christians just as Paul and the rest of the early church.

God calls the nation of jews israel even today!

 

[1689Dave]

God calls the nation of jews israel even today!

Only if you reject Christ who IS Israel along with those united to him by faith.

 

[Yeshua1]

Only if you reject Christ who IS Israel along with those united to him by faith.

Israel is Jewish nation, Church is Spiritual israel!

 

[1689Dave]

Israel is Jewish nation, Church is Spiritual israel!

There is only spiritual Israel today. God abolished physical Israel when he removed circumcision and the Law. Today's physical Israel has no valid means of being biblical Israel.

 

[Yeshua1]

There is only spiritual Israel today. God abolished physical Israel when he removed circumcision and the Law. Today's physical Israel has no valid means of being biblical Israel.

Jesus is Kijng of the Jews, and that will mean physical Jews at His second coming!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I agree and a lot of brethren have come out of something... Me I never did... There is no doubt in my mind that the Bible teaches the Resurrection of the Dead of the just and the unjust when the Lord comes again... The doctrines of men have messed up the rest... Enough said!... Brother Glen

Absolutely

 

[1689Dave]

Jesus is Kijng of the Jews, and that will mean physical Jews at His second coming!

Jesus' kingdom is spiritual and not of this world. So there will never be a physical millennium in this present world. And it will not be found in the world to come either. That world is eternal, not 1000 years, and perfectly sinless, not as premillennialism teaches as having sin and death. Besides these two worlds, scripture knows of no others.

Also, Circumcision made one a physical Jew. “Any uncircumcised male who has not been circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin will be cut off from his people—he has failed to carry out my requirement.”” (Genesis 17:14) (NET) And Jesus invalidated circumcision on the cross.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

There is national/physical israel, the Unsaved jews, and Spiritual israel, the saved out Jews/Gentiles!

I agree and a lot of brethren have come out of something... Me I never did... There is no doubt in my mind that the Bible teaches the Resurrection of the Dead of the just and the unjust when the Lord comes again... The doctrines of men have messed up the rest... Enough said!... Brother Glen

This post/video is about Election. I know it doesn’t fit in to all this “Fly in the Sky” stuff... but I furvently believe in it. Just wanted you to see it.

 

[agedman]

1“Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. 2“Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. 3“Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4“But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”

5Then I, Daniel, looked and behold, two others were standing, one on this bank of the river and the other on that bank of the river. 6And one said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be until the end of these wonders?” 7I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed. 8As for me, I heard but could not understand; so I said, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?” 9He said, “Go your way,Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time. 10“Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand. 11“From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12“How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days! 13“But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age.”

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus' kingdom is spiritual and not of this world. So there will never be a physical millennium in this present world. And it will not be found in the world to come either. That world is eternal, not 1000 years, and perfectly sinless, not as premillennialism teaches as having sin and death. Besides these two worlds, scripture knows of no others.

Also, Circumcision made one a physical Jew. “Any uncircumcised male who has not been circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin will be cut off from his people—he has failed to carry out my requirement.”” (Genesis 17:14) (NET) And Jesus invalidated circumcision on the cross.

Interesting, as the Apostles all expected to have Jesus return physically to Earth, and tyo set up His reign then on earth!

 

[1689Dave]

Interesting, as the Apostles all expected to have Jesus return physically to Earth, and tyo set up His reign then on earth!

Yes, but this takes place at the end of the world. Why? Because Jesus says it is the coming he previously spoke of that only the Father knows the timing of.

Jesus said some would not die until they saw him coming in his Kingdom = that generation = Pentecost.

The end of the world and the New Heavens and earth, only the Father knows.

 

[Yeshua1]

1“Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. 2“Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. 3“Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4“But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”

5Then I, Daniel, looked and behold, two others were standing, one on this bank of the river and the other on that bank of the river. 6And one said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be until the end of these wonders?” 7I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed. 8As for me, I heard but could not understand; so I said, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?” 9He said, “Go your way,Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time. 10“Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand. 11“From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12“How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days! 13“But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age.”

That has yet to happen...