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O
OCC
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Dr. Bob...that was a personal attack. I like CCM...people who like CCM music are enemies of God, ergo I am an "enemy of God." I don't appreciate that. If this is not a personal attack then I could say conservatism is the political ideology of the devil himself. If anyone takes offense at this then my point is proven.
Now...yes let's get on with discussing the subject.
Now...yes let's get on with discussing the subject.
Joseph_Botwinick
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Dr. Bob,
I agree.
Joseph Botwinick
I agree.
Joseph Botwinick
Hey Joe and KJ;
Please provide evidence I have said entertainment is ALWAYS such a bad thing.
I support DHK's position. Christ said we are to deny ourselves and take up our cross and follow him. How is "entertainment" denying oneself?
Someone posted differences in "entertainment". I concur with the fact that there ARE differences. For example: In Master's Club (similar to AWANA'S but better) we often play games with the children to teach them a Biblical truth. This can be "entertaining" but the GOAL is to teach Biblical truth.
I think what DHK and I are saying is that "entertainment" for its own sake alone is wrong. But IF it is to further the Kingdom of God then it can be BOTH refreshing and spiritually healthy.
Someone else mentioned the times Christ attended weddings etc...
Obviously these were CELEBRATIONS and NOT entertainment for the sake of entertainment. So their point is untenable.
In HIS service;
Jim
Please provide evidence I have said entertainment is ALWAYS such a bad thing.
I support DHK's position. Christ said we are to deny ourselves and take up our cross and follow him. How is "entertainment" denying oneself?
Someone posted differences in "entertainment". I concur with the fact that there ARE differences. For example: In Master's Club (similar to AWANA'S but better) we often play games with the children to teach them a Biblical truth. This can be "entertaining" but the GOAL is to teach Biblical truth.
I think what DHK and I are saying is that "entertainment" for its own sake alone is wrong. But IF it is to further the Kingdom of God then it can be BOTH refreshing and spiritually healthy.
Someone else mentioned the times Christ attended weddings etc...
Obviously these were CELEBRATIONS and NOT entertainment for the sake of entertainment. So their point is untenable.
In HIS service;
Jim
Joseph_Botwinick
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KJ,
I would not be offended by you saying that. There are times when I might even agree with you on that. But, for the most part, I do disagree with you. But, you have the right to your theological and political opinion, as do I. I also have the right to challenge your opinions, as do you.
Joseph Botwinick
O
OCC
Guest
Jim, you said: "Why am I on the BB? At this time ( and for the last four YEARS) I am in a tiny town with no Bible Believing church to attend. Therefore; I am on the BB to fellowship, preach, and sharpen my Sword skills. Ok?"
That is conclusive evidence to assume you haven't been to church in four years. If it weren't, then why did Joseph even ASK if the BB was your CHURCH?
That is conclusive evidence to assume you haven't been to church in four years. If it weren't, then why did Joseph even ASK if the BB was your CHURCH?
Joseph_Botwinick
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I think I understand what you are saying. I don't completely agree, but I do understand. BTW, how does participating in political debates (contests) further the kingdom of God?
Joseph Botwinick
O
OCC
Guest
Joseph, if you truly would not be offended by that then maybe I was wrong.
Jim...though I'm not going to argue with you...I'm just going to refrain from commenting on your post.
Jim...though I'm not going to argue with you...I'm just going to refrain from commenting on your post.
Joseph_Botwinick
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Perhaps, I misunderstood what he was saying. Who knows?Originally posted by King James:
Jim, you said: "Why am I on the BB? At this time ( and for the last four YEARS) I am in a tiny town with no Bible Believing church to attend. Therefore; I am on the BB to fellowship, preach, and sharpen my Sword skills. Ok?"
That is conclusive evidence to assume you haven't been to church in four years. If it weren't, then why did Joseph even ASK if the BB was your CHURCH?
Joseph Botwinick
O
OCC
Guest
Then maybe I did too Joseph. The point is...he only addressed me and tried to make me look stupid.
Where did I say I have not been to church in four years? How do you suppose I would know there are no Bible believing churches in this town if I had NEVER been to them?
We have traveled back home for our 10 day preaching conferences. I have even been all the way down to Texas for one. We are NOTcompletely apostate! LOL
And just how do you equate this BB with church? That one baffles me.
In HIS service;
Jim </font>[/QUOTE]For King James: See above. Perhaps you missed it.
In HIS service;
Jim
Joseph:
From my view, participating in a political debate furthers the Kingdom of God inasmuch as the truths of God's word are communicated concerning any given "political" issue. The reason being is that in every case, what is called "political" cannot be seperated from what God has revealed in scripture concerning the governance of any given nation. By that I mean to say that God has outlined in Scripture the parameters by which we as Christians ought to live our lives. As such, we as Christians ought to be involved in our individual societies in such a way that the Gospel is freely preached, souls are saved, and holiness is proclaimed.
Our GOAL in everything we do ought to be "preaching Christ and Him crucified." For to me to live IS Christ.
Agreed?
In HIS service;
Jim
From my view, participating in a political debate furthers the Kingdom of God inasmuch as the truths of God's word are communicated concerning any given "political" issue. The reason being is that in every case, what is called "political" cannot be seperated from what God has revealed in scripture concerning the governance of any given nation. By that I mean to say that God has outlined in Scripture the parameters by which we as Christians ought to live our lives. As such, we as Christians ought to be involved in our individual societies in such a way that the Gospel is freely preached, souls are saved, and holiness is proclaimed.
Our GOAL in everything we do ought to be "preaching Christ and Him crucified." For to me to live IS Christ.
Agreed?
In HIS service;
Jim
O
OCC
Guest
Where did I say I have not been to church in four years? How do you suppose I would know there are no Bible believing churches in this town if I had NEVER been to them?
We have traveled back home for our 10 day preaching conferences. I have even been all the way down to Texas for one. We are NOTcompletely apostate! LOL
And just how do you equate this BB with church? That one baffles me.
In HIS service;
Jim </font>[/QUOTE]For King James: See above. Perhaps you missed it.
In HIS service;
Jim </font>[/QUOTE]Nope...didn't miss it. That is where I went to see that you only addressed me. I don't see Jospeh's name anywhere in your post.
Where did I say I have not been to church in four years? How do you suppose I would know there are no Bible believing churches in this town if I had NEVER been to them?
We have traveled back home for our 10 day preaching conferences. I have even been all the way down to Texas for one. We are NOTcompletely apostate! LOL
And just how do you equate this BB with church? That one baffles me.
In HIS service;
Jim </font>[/QUOTE]For King James: See above. Perhaps you missed it.
In HIS service;
Jim </font>[/QUOTE]Nope...didn't miss it. That is where I went to see that you only addressed me. I don't see Jospeh's name anywhere in your post. </font>[/QUOTE]Then your comment that I have never been to church in 4 years is hastily spoken?
In HIS service;
Jim
O
OCC
Guest
What are you talking about Jim?
I SAID..."Nope...didn't miss it. That is where I went to see that you only addressed me. I don't see Jospeh's name anywhere in your post."
Nothing about anything being hastily spoken. Count me
I SAID..."Nope...didn't miss it. That is where I went to see that you only addressed me. I don't see Jospeh's name anywhere in your post."
Nothing about anything being hastily spoken. Count me
O
OCC
Guest
I really do NOT think either DHK or myself tried to make you look stupid brother.
If that is how you felt, then I apologize for my part.
Not for my position nor for my comments, but for HOW you perceived them.
In HIS service;
Jim </font>[/QUOTE]Ok Jim. Apology accepted. I am still confused though...about the "hasty" comment.
T
TexasSky
Guest
DHK,
If there is anything in your life that you do which can not be done to glorify God, then by all means, give it up.
If there is anything in your life that you are putting before God, then by all means, give it up.
Do not, though, sir, presume that God did not intend for people to use ALL their talents, and ALL the events of their life to give glory to God.
If there is anything in your life that you do which can not be done to glorify God, then by all means, give it up.
If there is anything in your life that you are putting before God, then by all means, give it up.
Do not, though, sir, presume that God did not intend for people to use ALL their talents, and ALL the events of their life to give glory to God.
O
OCC
Guest
Jim, no...not hastily spoken. Conclusion I drew after reading what you said. It appears you are just looking for a fight. Go look elsewhere for a fight with someone else...