This is melodramatic.
Side note--do we as Christians really believe that The Lord Jesus has the keys of death and Hades? Not saying we act foolishly, but do we really believe that God can preserve life if He chooses? .
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Epidemiologist Warns of Lockdown Consequences
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Side note--do we as Christians really believe that The Lord Jesus has the keys of death and Hades? Not saying we act foolishly, but do we really believe that God can preserve life if He chooses? .
No, this is sarcasm and I already addressed this deterministic mindset approach elsewhere. Nothing stopping you from letting your guard down if you think its all predetermined is there?
Correct, my desire is to act wisely and praise God. We see it the same way, i just thought your post was a bit dramatic. No worries. Have a good one!
Scott Downey
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Mutation strain from India could kill current research efforts for coronavirus vaccine: report
Well, the vaccine effort may be a waste of time, as in India a mutation occurred.
One of the promising vaccine attempts has their antibodies latching onto the outer structure of the virus rendering it unable to infiltrate the cell. But the virus envelope mutation means the antibody wont be able to attach. It is like a lock and key.
But the mRNA vaccine which interferes with virus replication once a cell is infested should still work. AFAIK
Well, the vaccine effort may be a waste of time, as in India a mutation occurred.
One of the promising vaccine attempts has their antibodies latching onto the outer structure of the virus rendering it unable to infiltrate the cell. But the virus envelope mutation means the antibody wont be able to attach. It is like a lock and key.
But the mRNA vaccine which interferes with virus replication once a cell is infested should still work. AFAIK
Something about states rights being a big deal. I guess we pick and choose that too when it meets the agenda of the day.
KenH
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I think it is more accurate to talk about governments as having powers. Rights belong to people.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Try again. It’s nothing about states’ rights. It’s specifically about states unconstituationally overriding the constitutional rights of the individual. It’s well worth considering the arguments, while we still can.
But what about the deaths that will result from economic depression? Are you not aware the poverty also kills? Do we value those victims less?
It must be balanced against the immediate threat and according to the severity.
Then doesn't this nullify the point you made (through sarcasm)?
Not when people are putting their value of the economy (money, comfort) over the value of life before a decline in the economy has become as serious of a threat to life as the virus currently is.
But didn't you just do the same? What was different about your response, specifically, then the responses you were mocking? I'm failing to see the difference.
I'm not sure what you're asking. To be clear, my first priority is to save lives and make sure this virus spreading is under control as I see it a much bigger threat to life than the decline in the economy at this time. I do not discount that we need to guard against our economy totally collapsing but I certainly think we can endure some hardship to the degree that we have without that happening. Yes, some people are panicking about the economy and some people are panicking about the number the potential number of deaths. I would not let in be said about me that I cared more about my immediate comfort than I did about the lives of our sick, old and weak. My sarcasm is about people's priorities!
My first priority is lives period. I don't prioritize virus lives over other lives. More suicides this year than virus deaths, even with this pandemic. Life is life.
You say "we" as if you're representing everyone. I don't presume to do that. You and I probably can take some more hardship, but I'm not going to assume everyone else can. The fact is, you're being brave with others peoples lives, not your own. That's not courage.
Hollywood does the same thing, as if they'll be effected by this one bit. It's always the well to do that ask the poor to endure.
I’m not buying that the urgency to keep people from committing suicide because of having to experience some hardship in the economy overrides the urgency to keep this virus spread in check before we even know the full extent of what it is capable of. Look how many people have died in NY in a matter of weeks and that is only a fraction of those who would have died if these precautions were not taken. In fact, if left unchecked and allowed to run it natural course the death toll would unquestionably have dwarfed that of suicide. The threat of suicide is a lame and irresponsible excuse rooted in selfishness and a lack of grace. If your priority is lives and is not driven logically by taking into account the necessary precautions to slow this virus in order to give us time to save a great multitude of lives but rather favors excuses like people will kill themselves because they lack toilet paper or even might miss a meal for the first time in their lives your priorities are messed up!
Then you're denying facts and science. According to the CDC approximately 123 Americans die by suicide everyday, when things are relatively fine. To suggest that an economic depress would not exacerbate this is crazy. Of course it would. Also, suicide is much more of a threat to kids than Coronavirus. If we start financially destabilizing homes and families, how can we expect kids not to be in more danger? Do you now want to trade kids for senior citizens?
Yes, it's extremely rare that someone will commit suicide because of an economic depression, but it's also extremely rare that someone will die from Coronavirus. The point is, you don't trade one for the other.
No, mocking the seriousness of suicide is lame and irresponsible. I know someone very well putting together a suicide documentary. It's shameful you're mocking this epidemic, driven by drug use that's also likely to increase during an economic depression. The only one that needs to bow his head in shame, is you.
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KenH
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“FAYETTEVILLE, Ark — Dispatch centers in our area have seen a major spike in suicide threats in recent weeks during the coronavirus pandemic.
Stress factors like layoffs, child care, fear for the elderly and many other things are partially to blame for the increase.“
Suicide calls spike during COVID-19 pandemic
Tucker hit on this issue tonight, also, citing that suicide and addiction will be exacerbated (especially with liquor stores deemed essential). I guess he didn't get the memo on the lameness of this issue either.
We will soon have 3,000 people dying a day ...give me beak with your "denying the facts" with that weak comparison!
More people have died in 3 days from Coronavirus in NY than die there from the seasonal flu in year. ...And that is thanks to being under a tight social distancing guideline or it would be much higher. You don't call the claim you just made denial?!
You/and @KenH are in denial of the dominating figures which reveal the truth about which factors are responsible for the devastation caused by COVID-19 and are one of many on a desperate search to substitute the greatest threat of contagion with unrealistic side issue comparisons through attempting to attribute lower-level threats as what should govern which direction we take to suit your personal paranoid hyper political agendas rather than focus on protecting the well-being of others who are old, sick and weak. No, it is you that needs to do some soul searching over what guides your desires.
Yes, Tucker is a huge disappointment with his joining in and promoting these "unrealistic side issue comparisons through attempting to attribute lower-level threats as what should govern which direction we take to suit your/his personal paranoid hyper political agendas rather than focus on protecting the well-being of others who are old, sick and weak."
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