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Earth Wind and Fire

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You don’t kill 7 members of my family then expect me to see you as a miracle worker do you? Why did you give my sister a drug induced Cerebral Palsy that burned out her brain stem? Why did you kill my father at 39, living us destitute? And don’t give me this story about… ah, forget you. I’ve seen the suffering, I’ve heard the stories & it don’t cut it with me But you want to know what did.. it was my grandma cooking the family pasta so we could live that week & my mother walking around in rags and w/o a winter coat in the NJ winter, it was the old Irish priest walking a mile to visit us and offer my mother hope and it is my son( an avoud atheist) having to endure the death of his MIL from cancer, then his mother then his grandfather that he looked up to, all in 6 weeks … those are the people who are profoundly good & charitable.So forget your super duper special miracle’s.. I don’t need them when we live by Grace alone.Jesus, could we get a little happiness here!?!
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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If you had been standing on the Road to Damascus as Saul was being saved ... what would you have seen? A flash and thunder? What would that have convinced you of?

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating" is an old English proverb meaning that the EVIDENCE is in the RESULT. The TRANSFORMATION in Saul is the proof that God did a miracle. The men that Isaac and Samuel and John grew up to become is the PROOF of the miracle of their birth ... proof it was no accident or coincidence, but God had a hand in it.

Have you really never seen a soul transformed? a life changed? a person made DIFFERENT by "something"? Physics tells you that an object continues traveling in a straight line at a constant velocity unless acted upon by an outside force. So, too, the lives of people. We all are born falling towards damnation (as Romans 1 describes). Any time a person deviates from that path, an external force HAS ACTED UPON THEM (whether you can see it or not). That force that draws us UPWARD, against the innate natural force of gravity pulling us down towards death and the grave and damnation, is a miracle (it is contrary to the natural law of entropy).

There is a verse in a poem that states: "Every man's death diminishes me" (For Whom the Bell Tolls), well, every SALVATION is proof God still performs miracles [Irrespective of whether we choose to see it or ignore it].
I don’t believe it… just words outa a book. A Story Book. God exists, Christ exists but they don’t help. At least, I’ve never seen it and I’m 69 yo. So I’m a skeptic, and I won’t wonder and wait for the 2nd coming, not anymore.
 
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easternstar

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You don’t kill 7 members of my family then expect me to see you as a miracle worker do you? Why did you give my sister a drug induced Cerebral Palsy that burned out her brain stem? Why did you kill my father at 39, living us destitute? And don’t give me this story about… ah, forget you. I’ve seen the suffering, I’ve heard the stories & it don’t cut it with me But you want to know what did.. it was my grandma cooking the family pasta so we could live that week & my mother walking around in rags and w/o a winter coat in the NJ winter, it was the old Irish priest walking a mile to visit us and offer my mother hope and it is my son( an avoud atheist) having to endure the death of his MIL from cancer, then his mother then his grandfather that he looked up to, all in 6 weeks … those are the people who are profoundly good & charitable.So forget your super duper special miracle’s.. I don’t need them when we live by Grace alone.Jesus, could we get a little happiness here!?!
Some would say that God didn't kill those family members, that Satan did. I've heard that many times. Some would also say that, even if true, God could have prevented it but didn't. That may also be true. As to the why, I don't know and don't believe anyone can know, unless God reveals it to them directly.
 

rockytopva

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What are the ends to such conversations? The Lord Jesus clearly said...

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. - Acts 1:6-7

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 25:13

Jesus... Could come back today! It is his will that we watch, for in his own word, it is not for us to know the times or the seasons in which God has put in his own breast. If I would go with a single man on end time theology I would go with Isaac Newton.... Who said...

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. -Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v: "So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ's coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes...

"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton
 

Oseas3

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While discussions continue,

In LITERAL fulfillment of the Word of GOD, the current world of the Evil One, the Old Serpent also called the Devil and Satan, and now red Dragon(Revelation12:9) yeah, the current demonic world is already being DISSOLVED, and will be DISSOLVED as a whole until the END, until the day 1334, the last day of the current satanic world. -> Day after day, it will be DISMANTLED like an old car in the scrapyard/junkyard, parts that can be reused and are in conditions to be used again, they go to the stock, those that are not useful will go to the furnace to be melted in the fire.

By the way, two thousand years ago, and 4000 years after Adam, Peter Apostle prophesied, saying: 2 Peter 3: 10-14:

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But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night->(the current seventh and last Day or seventh and last milennium. Poor Israel, in their poor mentality they are still living in the sixth Day, their false and deceptive calendar is still in the year 5785, and this current seventh and last Day shall pass away with a great noise and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS that are therein shall be BURNED up. ->(The 1st and 2nd heavens, or the Old and New Testaments or 1st and 2nd Covenant, both will be DISSOLVED-Hebrews 8:13.-> The door of SALVATION is closed-Revelation 11:6. -> Heavens? Ephesians 1:3-8, take a look, -> the 3rd heaven will still be established from now on-Luke 20:35-36 combined with Revelation 11:15-18 and 1Corinthians 15:24-26).

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Seeing then that ALL THESE THINGS shall be DISSOLVED-> (including the 1st and 2nd heavens->OT and NT, the next is the 3rd heaven to be established from now on -> the Kingdom of GOD-Luke 20:35-36 combined with Revelation 11:15-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:24-26 and 2Corinthians 12:2-4) , so what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness?

NOTE: ->(VERY VERY IMPORTANT)

Daniel 11:41-42 will fulfill LITERALLY from now on, be prepared or else get ready.


In LITERAL fulfillment of the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD,-> verse 41 says: "Many NATIONS, many countries, shall be OVERTHROWN: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. -> 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

All believers MUST know that the POWERFUL HORSERIDER of the red horse is already making his works according to the Word of GOD that revealed us, as follow: Revelation 6:3-4-> 3 When He had opened the second seal, I heard ... say, Come and see.

4 And there went out another horse (another Power) that was red: and Power was given to him(to the MAN) that sat thereon ;
1- > to take PEACE from the earth,
2-> and that they should KILL ONE ANOTHER:

and there was given unto him a great Sword.->(By allegory, it means a demonic MOUTH, to speak atrocities and foment them throughout the world). Be prepared or else get ready.

Matthew 24:3-8
The disciples came unto JESUS privately, saying, Tell us:
1) what shall be the SIGN of thy coming?
2) And of the END of the WORLD?


4 And JESUS answered(and listed) and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be

famines,
and pestilences,
and earthquakes,
in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Luke 17:24-33
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his Day.->the Lord's Day, seventh and last Day.

25 But first must he suffer many things, and be REJECTED of this generation.

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. (Remember:->these days are within the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium in whih we have just entered).

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.->(Brimstone, what's that?->Isaiah 30:33 reveals, take a look):

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32 Remember Lot's wife.

33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
 

Oseas3

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Don't forget, keep this in your mind. -> We have just entered in the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, it's midnight, we are exactly in the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last Day , the clock keeps ticking, it doesn't stop marking time, so another Day will dawn and the Kingdom of GOD will be established on this Day, in this seventh millennium. Revelation 11:15-18. -> Be prepared or get ready.

That being said, the believers in whole world MUST understand that IT'S IS IMPOSSIBLE, yeah, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE the continuation or permanence of the current "STATUS QUO" of the WORLD OF THE DEVIL, it is COMPLETELY impossible in this seventh and last Day, understand?

The world is already condemened , therefore, in LITERAL fulfillment of the Word of GOD, the world of Devil as whole will be DISSOLVED, DESTROYED from now on-> Revelation 11:18, take a look, the Word is GOD, from everlasting to everlasting, GOD Himself, Self-Executing, Self-Executable, understand?

Isaiah 26:19-2 ->(combined with Daniel 12:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, take a look).

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

And Isaiah prophesied, saying:-> 33:10-14:
10 Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up Myself.

11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.

12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.

13 Hear, ye that are far off(Gentile nations), what I have done; and, ye that are near(Jewish people), acknowledge my might.

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Matthew 25:32-34 and 41 and 46
32 And before him shall be gathered all NATIONS: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

41 Then shall JESUS say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers:->(2Corinthians 11:13-15, among many other biblical references. ->(Take a look mainly on Revelation 12:7-17).
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Be prepared or else get ready -> Matthew 25:6-10

Daniel 12:41-> ... and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
 
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Walter

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Here it is: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). I have walked with Jesus for about 70 years now. He is real (historically, spiritually, existentially, however you want to put it), He loves the world, He came to earth to save us. He communicates with me daily through His Word and His Spirit, and it's wonderful!

Amen

Thanks for posting this
 
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