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John of Japan

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I find it far easier to trust God with my own life (Whether I live or die, I belong to Christ, so I win either way) than with the suffering of someone that I love. God has a track record of not being shy about permitting His people to suffer ... often a LOT.
But suffering can be good for the believer. It causes us to grow. One of the greatest Christians I have ever known had a debilitating and painful condition, but she was always joyful and always telling folks about her Lord and Savior Jesus. I am going to attach a short biography of her that I wrote, including her personal tract, "Handicapped and Happy."
 

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JesusFan

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But suffering can be good for the believer. It causes us to grow. One of the greatest Christians I have ever known had a debilitating and painful condition, but she was always joyful and always telling folks about her Lord and Savior Jesus. I am going to attach a short biography of her that I wrote, including her personal tract, "Handicapped and Happy."
Seems to be the Bible perspective that those who will do great things for the Lord also will suffer and endure great hardships many times
 

Alan Dale Gross

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Seems to be the Bible perspective that those who will do great things for the Lord also will suffer and endure great hardships many times
And the sooner they Praise the Holy Creator God of the Universe and Usher in the Presence of God, the sooner they be Delivered from their temporal hardships those many times.

"Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him:
but I will maintain mine own ways before Him"
, Job 13:15.

"Behold, I Am the LORD, the God of all flesh:
is there any thing too hard for Me?"
Jeremiah 32:27.

"A Psalm of David. Bless the LORD, O my soul:
and all that is within me, Bless His Holy Name"
, Psalm 103:1.
 

Ben1445

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Oh, it WAS indeed a big deal, a fulfillment of a myriad of scripture. I'm referring to the big deal made by those expecting a physical return of Christ here on earth vs His actual spiritual return at Pentecost and in judgement circa 70 AD.

Why is it such a 'big deal' to those if someone actually believes the scripture that they don't believe?
Not sure if I’ve missed someone else pointing this out, sorry if so, but an exclusive spiritual return denies the promise of a return in the same manner that He left.
Jesus left with a physical body, one that ate fish from the Sea of Galilee with the disciples.
Jesus was taken up into the clouds. The clouds that are part of this earth.

When Jesus DOES return, He WILL come back with a physical presence and He will come in the clouds, as He left.

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they SHALL see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


The next time the Saviour comes to this world, He WILL do it in a manner in which He will fulfill the promise of His coming in like manner as He went.

I don’t remember clouds at Pentecost.
 

Ben1445

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Seems to be the Bible perspective that those who will do great things for the Lord also will suffer and endure great hardships many times
Philippians 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
 

37818

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What do you believe? Premillenialism? Dispensationalism? Amillenialism? Do you believe in a rapture?

I'm not sure where I am in this, but I am sure where I am not: Dispensationalism, and a rapture theology.
Post tribulation, pre-wrath, post resurrection, pre-millenialism, rapture.
Matthew 24:29, But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Revelation 6:17, For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
1 Thessalonians 4:15, For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, that are left unto the notecoming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep.
John 6:39, And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Revelation 20:6, Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
2 Peter 2:8, But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
 
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Oseas3

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************THE LAST DECADE - 2020-2030 - COUNTDOWN************

Dec 31-2025 is the 1823th day of the LAST DECADE of the Devil's world.
the begining of the last week - Daniel 9:27 - is within of this current last decade. (the next decade will not be complet, but partial)

Be careful and get ready
be focused on the last week of years of the Devil's world, and LITERAL fulfillment of Daniel 12:1-3 and Revelation 11:15-18.

Pay attention - we are living in the period of sorrows, PRE-TRIBULATION period, period of the great Tribulation.

JESUS listed several happenings linked to this current period of sorrows, and His list is fulfilling LITERALLY: -> Matthew 24:3-8.


JESUS warned: At midnight (that is, at the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, be prepared or else get ready) there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him-Matthew 25:6.

Looking at recent events and speaking of Trump(horserider of the red horse), Xi Jinping, and Putin (these are the main ones currently), and speaking of all rulers of the nations like them, what I must announce to the world through the Word of GOD is that:

-> all the PROJECTS they intend to build upon what they have potentially already built gigantically in the world will be frustrated;


-> yes, what I must announce to the WORLD as a whole through the Word of GOD is that THE HOPE OF THE HYPOCRITES WILL BE FRUSTRATED;->

>Job 8:13-14:-> 13... the hypocrite's hope shall perish:
14 Whose hope shall be cut off (frustrated),
and whose trust shall be a spider's web. ->says the Lord by His Word, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, Self-Executable, undersdtand?

-> By the way, the hypocrites in heart heap WRATH for themselves, understand?

Job 36:12-14
13 But the hypocrites in heart heap up WRATH: ...

14 They die...and their life is among the unclean.
12 ... they shall perish by the Sword->(by the Word of GOD-Hebrews 4:12-13), and they shall die without knowledge. -> Remember, our Lord JESUS left crystal clear, saying: -> Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear GOD which is able to destroy both SOUL and BODY in hell. ->(Eternal perdition-Daniel 12:1-3, among many other biblical references).--> Psalms 9:17->The wicked shall be TURNED into hell, and all the NATIONS that forget GOD.

Psalms 9KJV

1 I will praise thee, O Lord, with my whole heart; I will shew forth all thy marvellous works.
2 I will be glad and rejoice in thee: I will sing praise to thy name, O thou most High.
3 When mine enemies are turned back, they shall fall and perish at thy presence.
4 For thou hast maintained my right and my cause; thou satest in the throne judging right.
5 Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.
6 O thou enemy, destructions are come to a perpetual end: and thou hast destroyed cities; their memorial is perished with them.
7 But the Lord shall endure for ever: he hath prepared His throne for judgment. ->(The Judgment Seat of Christ).
8 And He shall judge the world in righteousness(John 12:48), he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
9 The Lord also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble.
10 And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, Lord, hast not forsaken them that seek thee.
11 Sing praises to the Lord, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings.
12 When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble.
13 Have mercy upon me, O Lord; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, thou that liftest me up from the gates of death:
14 That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the daughter of Zion: I will rejoice in thy salvation.
15 The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.
16 The Lord is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget GOD.
18 For the needy shall not always be forgotten: the expectation of the poor shall not perish for ever.
19 Arise, O Lord; let not man prevail: let the heathen be judged in thy sight.
20 Put them in fear, O Lord: that the nations may know themselves to be but men. Selah.

Psalms 7:11: -> GOD Judgeth the righteous, and GOD is angry with the wicked every Day. ->(Every or each millennium. By the way, we are living exactly in the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium. Be prepared, or else get ready->Matthew 25:10, take a look).

Psalms 149 ->(combined with Daniel 7:22&26-27 and Revelation 11:15-18, take a look)

1 Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and His praise in the congregation of saints.
2 Let Israel rejoice in Him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
3 Let them praise His name in the dance: let them sing praises unto Him with the timbrel and harp.
4 For the Lord taketh pleasure in His people:He will beautify the meek with salvation.->(Matthew 5:5, take a look)
5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
6 Let the high praises of GOD be in their MOUTH, and a two-edged Sword in their hand; ->(Hebrews 4:12-13)
7 To EXECUTE vengeance upon the heathen, and PUNISHMENTS upon the people; (Revelation 11:6 and verses 15 to 18, take a look).
8 To bind their kings with chains,and their nobles with fetters of iron;-> (Revelation 2:25 to 29, take a look)
9 To EXECUTE upon them the Judgment WRITTEN: this HONOUR have all his saints.-> (1Corinthians 6:2-3 combined with Daniel 2:44-47, among other biblical references).
Praise ye the Lord. Amen.


 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I've got lots of head knowledge, from 50 years of my passion being church history and theology. And I have some firm beliefs. But life circumstances have me questioning everything -- again. I did this originally in my early twenties. I've had a few experiences that I was certain were from God, but lately I just feel empty and disconnected. I long for and desperately need tangible, experiential knowledge and evidence that God intervenes in his creation and communicates with people. I pray, and beg, but get nothing.
But what if He doesn’t intervene? What if He creates and then allowed the creation to sort it out an evolve into a Christlike state of mind. We all know we are not perfect and that’s where Christ steps in… to model for us what we are supposed to be. So then, from where ever we come from theological beginning to end, we are all growing & evolving ( while some have stagnated ).

I profess to label myself as a Radical Christian ie one who digs down to the root cause of belief in order to find that :

Quintessential understanding & I’m not there yet. I do know that we both live and die in states of flux, sometimes drifting but mostly knowing we need help… help only really realized by God and his infinant being. I believe that God is nature at its finest and it’s up to us to realize His works of creation and to enjoy it fully for however long we have body & soul on this earth. Beyond that…well that right now is beyond my comprehension.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I find it far easier to trust God with my own life (Whether I live or die, I belong to Christ, so I win either way) than with the suffering of someone that I love. God has a track record of not being shy about permitting His people to suffer ... often a LOT.
You never said a truer word!
 
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easternstar

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But what if He doesn’t intervene? What if He creates and then allowed the creation to sort it out an evolve into a Christlike state of mind. We all know we are not perfect and that’s where Christ steps in… to model for us what we are supposed to be. So then, from where ever we come from theological beginning to end, we are all growing & evolving ( while some have stagnated ).

I profess to label myself as a Radical Christian ie one who digs down to the root cause of belief in order to find that :

Quintessential understanding & I’m not there yet. I do know that we both live and die in states of flux, sometimes drifting but mostly knowing we need help… help only really realized by God and his infinant being. I believe that God is nature at its finest and it’s up to us to realize His works of creation and to enjoy it fully for however long we have body & soul on this earth. Beyond that…well that right now is beyond my comprehension.
If He created but doesn't intervene, that sounds like Deism to me.
 

Charlie24

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I’m curious… when was the last time He intervened?

I think He has intervened many times but no way to prove it.

The latest that is considered by the world to be nothing short of divine intervention is Israel becoming a nation again in 1948.

It's clearly written in Scripture it would come to pass, and against all odds it happened.
 
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