Eschatology

[John of Japan]

I find it far easier to trust God with my own life (Whether I live or die, I belong to Christ, so I win either way) than with the suffering of someone that I love. God has a track record of not being shy about permitting His people to suffer ... often a LOT.

But suffering can be good for the believer. It causes us to grow. One of the greatest Christians I have ever known had a debilitating and painful condition, but she was always joyful and always telling folks about her Lord and Savior Jesus. I am going to attach a short biography of her that I wrote, including her personal tract, "Handicapped and Happy."

 

[JesusFan]

But suffering can be good for the believer. It causes us to grow. One of the greatest Christians I have ever known had a debilitating and painful condition, but she was always joyful and always telling folks about her Lord and Savior Jesus. I am going to attach a short biography of her that I wrote, including her personal tract, "Handicapped and Happy."

Seems to be the Bible perspective that those who will do great things for the Lord also will suffer and endure great hardships many times

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Seems to be the Bible perspective that those who will do great things for the Lord also will suffer and endure great hardships many times

And the sooner they Praise the Holy Creator God of the Universe and Usher in the Presence of God, the sooner they be Delivered from their temporal hardships those many times.

"Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him:
but I will maintain mine own ways before Him", Job 13:15.

"Behold, I Am the LORD, the God of all flesh:
is there any thing too hard for Me?" Jeremiah 32:27.

"A Psalm of David. Bless the LORD, O my soul:
and all that is within me, Bless His Holy Name", Psalm 103:1.

 

[Ben1445]

Oh, it WAS indeed a big deal, a fulfillment of a myriad of scripture. I'm referring to the big deal made by those expecting a physical return of Christ here on earth vs His actual spiritual return at Pentecost and in judgement circa 70 AD.

Why is it such a 'big deal' to those if someone actually believes the scripture that they don't believe?

Not sure if I’ve missed someone else pointing this out, sorry if so, but an exclusive spiritual return denies the promise of a return in the same manner that He left.
Jesus left with a physical body, one that ate fish from the Sea of Galilee with the disciples.
Jesus was taken up into the clouds. The clouds that are part of this earth.

When Jesus DOES return, He WILL come back with a physical presence and He will come in the clouds, as He left.

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they SHALL see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


The next time the Saviour comes to this world, He WILL do it in a manner in which He will fulfill the promise of His coming in like manner as He went.

I don’t remember clouds at Pentecost.

 

[Ben1445]

Seems to be the Bible perspective that those who will do great things for the Lord also will suffer and endure great hardships many times

Philippians 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

[37818]

What do you believe? Premillenialism? Dispensationalism? Amillenialism? Do you believe in a rapture?

I'm not sure where I am in this, but I am sure where I am not: Dispensationalism, and a rapture theology.

Post tribulation, pre-wrath, post resurrection, pre-millenialism, rapture.
Matthew 24:29, But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Revelation 6:17, For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
1 Thessalonians 4:15, For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, that are left unto the notecoming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep.
John 6:39, And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Revelation 20:6, Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
2 Peter 2:8, But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.