Evangelicals and RCC working together

[David Kent]

It is often said that Augustine brought Christianity to England. That is a lie. Christianity was brought by the Romans and was mostly confined to the Britons who recognised the Augustinian Roman Catholicism as heresy. Augustine had great success amongst the Saxons as their pagan religion was similar to that of the papists. When Augustine reached Wales he demanded that the king convert to Catholicism, which he refused, so Augustine ordered his troops to fight the Welsh and killed 1,000 of them.

Rome like Islam often used the sword to covert, rather than the sword of the spirit, the Word of God.

Rome nearly succeeded in overthrowing the English monarchy , King James, and parliament by the gunpowder plot. But God intervened. Likewise God intervened by destroying in the Spanish armada.

And WW2. Where the Pope supported Hitler and Mussolini in the war against Enland and Russia. The Pope wanted Japan to invade Russia from the East. But instead the Japs attacked Pearl Harbour, which was not what he wanted. He had successfully kept the USA out of the war till then. If he had succeeded, then USA would have been next.

The South American countries were mostly neutral but favoured Hitler, probably in fears of the US if they had joined the war.

The day after the death of Hitler, they all declared war on Germany, as did Spain.

Which two countries mourned the death of Hitler? One officially, the other semi officially?

 

[Cathode]

Jesus taught metaphor regarging His literal teaching in John 6:47-48, ". . . Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life. I am that bread of life. . . ." Per John 6:63, ". . . It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. . . ."

If people believe Jesus, they will eat His flesh and drink His blood unto salvation.

If they don’t believe Jesus, they will refuse to eat His flesh and drink His blood.

Jesus wasn’t asking them to understand, he was asking them to believe.

Human reasoning profits nothing, it’s spiritual supernatural faith that does, is the meaning here.

 

[David Kent]

The Gospel is preached daily in Church, in any local Catholic Church near you.

You will hear the whole bible read and explained over 3 years, if you attend daily Mass. That’s just in normal worship.

This is a 2000 year old tradition in the Catholic Church, practiced long before Protestants or Baptist’s walked the earth.

Baptists were from the time of the apostles. Roman Catholicism is from the time of Constantine. Constantine took the pagan title of the Caesars, pont max for himself. Eventually a title taken from the Roman pagan Emperors. The first to use that title was Julius Caesar as head of government and of the pagan religion, of which he was a priest. Likewise the Pope claims to be a priest, and not only king, but the king of kings. As such he is the head of the pagan religion, which is why he hates Christians so much.

 

[David Kent]

I am praying for your country, it has been a great beacon of freedom for the world, and Americans have been very generous, and not just because of self interest. It has prevented a great deal of pain the world would have otherwise suffered.

My feeling is Trump will be destroyed or assassinated before he becomes president, unless people pray for his protection, he is the only candidate talking about the real issues in your country.

I thought you would be for Biden he's papist like you.

 

[37818]

If people believe Jesus, they will eat His flesh and drink His blood unto salvation.

If they don’t believe Jesus, they will refuse to eat His flesh and drink His blood.

Jesus wasn’t asking them to understand, he was asking them to believe.

Human reasoning profits nothing, it’s spiritual supernatural faith that does, is the meaning here.

John 6:47-48, teaches no such necessity, ". . . Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life. I am that bread of life. . . ."

John warns and cites God's promise in 1 John 5:9-13, ". . . If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. . . ."

 

[David Kent]

If people believe Jesus, they will eat His flesh and drink His blood unto salvation.

If they don’t believe Jesus, they will refuse to eat His flesh and drink His blood.

Jesus wasn’t asking them to understand, he was asking them to believe.

Human reasoning profits nothing, it’s spiritual supernatural faith that does, is the meaning here.

You keep saying that, but you don't eat the flesh a d blood of Jesus, you would be a cannibal if you did. You eat a piece of bread and one that can be eaten by a rat. See fr Chiniquy "The God of Rome eaten by a rat."

 

[Cathode]

Baptists were from the time of the apostles.

No they weren’t. They had very human founders of their traditions after the Protestant rebellion, even Protestant and Baptist scholars recognise that.

Sounds like you are following the trail of blood theory, the deer hunters guide to early church history. Scholars on all sides have debunked that.

 

[Cathode]

John 6:47-48, teaches no such necessity, ". . . Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life. I am that bread of life. . . ."

John warns and cites God's promise in 1 John 5:9-13, ". . . If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. . . ."

I can believe the written menu with all my heart and soul, but unless I finally eat what it’s offering, there is no point to it. Same with scripture.

The sign that people believe Jesus, is that they eat His flesh and drink His blood as he commanded.

The sign that they don’t believe Jesus, is they refuse to eat His flesh and drink His blood as told them to. It’s the full manifestation of unbelief in Jesus own words.

The word only saves if it’s believed and obeyed.

“ Why call me Lord, and do not the things I say “

Jesus Himself is Pure Life from The Eternal Light, in eating His flesh and drinking His blood we receive His Life.

This is the final hurdle of Faith required, this is the singularity of the Spiritual realm.

The Scripture and Christ’s own words is the invite to the Great Banquet, the drama is played out even today, with people making their theological excuses not to attend the Eucharistic Feast.
And when those refuse, His servants are sent out again, but this time not to the invited, but to the full number who will believe.

“ I tell you, not one of those who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.’”

This parable is playing out this very moment.

 

[Cathode]

I thought you would be for Biden he's papist like you.

Well I identify Christians by their kind words and love.

 

[37818]

I can believe the written menu with all my heart and soul, but unless I finally eat what it’s offering, there is no point to it. Same with scripture.

According to 1 John 5:13 this is to know one has etermal life. Jesus explained in John 10:28, ". . . And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, . . ."

It has long been my understanging the coming and believing is the eating and drinking, per John 6:35, ". . . And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. . . ." And being a one time deal of coming and believing. According to John 10:28-29 God does the keeping. We both have the same promise.

 

[Cathode]

You keep saying that, but you don't eat the flesh a d blood of Jesus, you would be a cannibal if you did. You eat a piece of bread and one that can be eaten by a rat. See fr Chiniquy "The God of Rome eaten by a rat."

The Eucharist is Jesus, His whole being, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.

Jesus is the Bread of Life.

 

[37818]

The Eucharist is Jesus, His whole being, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.

Taking a metaphor literally does not make it so.

Jesus is the Bread of Life.

John 6:47, ". . . Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life. . . ." That simple.

 

[Walter]

I thought you would be for Biden he's papist like you.

Why all the venomous bigotry? Papist?? BTW, Biden is just like Pelosi. Only cultural Catholics.

 

[Walter]

Baptists were from the time of the apostles. Roman Catholicism is from the time of Constantine. Constantine took the pagan title of the Caesars, pont max for himself. Eventually a title taken from the Roman pagan Emperors. The first to use that title was Julius Caesar as head of government and of the pagan religion, of which he was a priest. Likewise the Pope claims to be a priest, and not only king, but the king of kings. As such he is the head of the pagan religion, which is why he hates Christians so much.

What a lot of hooey!!

BAPTIST SUCCESSIONISM? LOL
Some (few) Baptists have claimed that they too can trace their lineage back to the time of Christ and the apostles.

This idea was popularized in the early 20th century by Baptist pastor, and historian, James M. Carroll who wrote a book entitled Trail of Blood. In it Carroll claims that the Baptist church, as it is known today, descended through history under different names, such as the Anabaptists, Montanists, and Novations.

At first, this may sound tenable, but when you actually look at these groups, and what they taught, you see very quickly that their theology was anything but Baptist.

The Anabaptists denied that a person is saved by faith alone.[2]

The Montanists taught that “God, not being able to save the world by Moses and the Prophets, took flesh of the Virgin Mary, and in Christ, His Son, preached and died for us. And because He could not accomplish the salvation of the world by this second method, the Holy Spirit descended upon Montanus, Prisca, and Maximilla, giving them the plenitude which St. Paul had not (1 Corinthians 13:9). [1]

The Novatians refused readmission to communion of baptized Christians who had denied their faith. [3]

“For proponents [of Baptist Successionism], writes Fr. Dwight Longenecker, “the fact that there is no historical proof for their theory simply shows how good the Catholic Church was at persecution and cover-up. Baptist Successionism can never be disproved because all that is required for their succession to be transmitted was a small group of faithful people somewhere at some time who kept the flame of the true faith alive. The authors of this “history” skim happily over the heretical beliefs of their supposed forefathers in the faith. It is sufficient that all these groups were opposed to, and persecuted by, the Catholics.”

Thankfully intellectually honest Baptists, such as James McGoldrick who was once himself a believer in Baptist successionism are conceding that this “trail of blood” view is, frankly, bogus. McGoldrick writes:

'Extensive graduate study and independent investigation of church history has, however, convinced [the author] that the view he once held so dear has not been, and cannot be, verified. On the contrary, surviving primary documents render the successionist view untenable. . . . Although free church groups in ancient and medieval times sometimes promoted doctrines and practices agreeable to modern Baptists, when judged by standards now acknowledged as baptistic, not one of them merits recognition as a Baptist church. Baptists arose in the 17th century in Holland and England. They are Protestants, heirs of the reformers.' (Baptist Successionism: A Crucial Question in Baptist History [1994], 1–2)

 

[Cathode]

Taking a metaphor literally does not make it so.

John 6:47, ". . . Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life. . . ." That simple.

Yes, because subsequent to believing, you will eat His flesh and drink His blood unto eternal life.

“ He who eats my flesh and drinks and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

We take it literally because Jesus meant it literally.

When Jesus was speaking metaphorically but was taken literally, Jesus always explained.

When Jesus said Lazarus was asleep, the disciples said “ if he is asleep, he will recover “. But then Jesus told them, “ Lazarus is dead “.

For 2000 years the Eucharist has always been understood to be Jesus Body and Blood.

What makes Communion Communion is that The Eucharist is Jesus Himself.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Why all the venomous bigotry? Papist?? BTW, Biden is just like Pelosi. Only cultural Catholics.

True

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

We have gotten off the subject of the OP. For myself, Salty asked me why I cannot have solidarity in working together with Catholics. well it’s my conviction that Catholic Christian’s and Evangelical Christian’s are far afield in beliefs making it difficult to find commonality in doctrines of Salvation, as well as leadership issues, traditions, history etc. Now I can have Catholic neighbors I think the world of, have family members who are practicing Catholics but I will disagree with their spiritual direction as they will disagree with mine. Therefore it’s just better that they go to their church and I will go to mine.

As for Biden and Pelosi, I consider them nothing more than corrupt politicians who in no way represent God and his own sheep. They are both serial liars who will soon be meeting God and will have to answer to Him… there are consequences for being in league with the devil.

 

[JonC]

I have no problem with Christians working together.

 

[tyndale1946]

I have no problem with Christians working together.

If a Buddhist knocked on your door and was hungry, would you feed him?... Or would you shut the door because he doesn't believe like you do?... Where is your Christianity?... Brother Glen

 

[JonC]

If a Buddhist knocked on your door and was hungry, would you feed him?... Or would you shut the door because he doesn't believe like you do?... Where is your Christianity?... Brother Glen

Are you asking me? If so, why?

I don't get the questions in relation to my comment that I wouldn't take issue with Christians working together. Is there something I'm missing here?

If a Buddhist, an atheist, a Hindu, or a Baptist knocked on my door and was hungry I would feed him.

Would you not?

Where is my Christianity? My Christianity is in my life - Christ working in and through me.

Where is yours? (Where do we differ on this topic?)