The RCC excommunicated my uncle Pat after finding in a newspaper article that he joined the Masons. He merely moved to his wife’s Lutheran church becoming a member in good standing… so RCC, go jump in a lake.
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Evangelicals and RCC working together
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I’m sorry, but the RCC is primarily a corrupt global sink hole operating as an legitimate Christian representative church of the living Christ… see: Catherine Austin Fitts: Pope Francis - Care for Our Common Home | Scoop News.
these questions & concerns where posed to the current popes concept piece dated June 2015 to solicit answers to issues that were never answered (what a surprise)!
In order for me to find any solidarity with anyone supporting them, I would need to feel confident they were addressing the items Ms. Fitts is requesting answers for. At least rein in President Biden for his stance on abortion which has to be a stink in the nostrils of every Practicing Roman Catholic and Evangelical Christian on the planet. Then perhaps we can begin
to have a working dialog… but not before then!
these questions & concerns where posed to the current popes concept piece dated June 2015 to solicit answers to issues that were never answered (what a surprise)!
In order for me to find any solidarity with anyone supporting them, I would need to feel confident they were addressing the items Ms. Fitts is requesting answers for. At least rein in President Biden for his stance on abortion which has to be a stink in the nostrils of every Practicing Roman Catholic and Evangelical Christian on the planet. Then perhaps we can begin
to have a working dialog… but not before then!
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"...all them that have loved his appearing."
Do you consider them that vacillate to be Christian, Quasi Christian, or Non Christian?
Present how? Spiritually present? Jesus is always and everywhere spiritually present. What makes the Eucharist different is that Jesus is completely present in His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
Jesus is not just Spirit, He is also a physical flesh and blood man. But in His flesh and blood humanity His Soul and Divinity resides.
It is by receiving His flesh and blood, that we receive life to our flesh and blood.
Jesus didn’t take Simon in His hands and say ‘This is Kepha ( Rock ) ‘ He changed Simons name to Kepha Rock. When God granted authority to someone, He changed their name, as with Abraham.
When Jesus said ‘ that Jesus is water, that Jesus is a key stone, that men are literal sheep, and that Jesus is the vine ‘ and the gate. People knew he was talking metaphorically, none took it as literal, and Jesus didn’t have to correct them as He always did when they misunderstood.
Jesus didn’t correct the disciples that walked away, because Jesus was speaking literally and meant it literally, that His flesh was real food and blood real drink.
Jesus doubles down, triples down and quadruples down speaking this “ hard “ and very literal “teaching “.
The disciples that deserted Him did so because they rightly understood Jesus was speaking literally, but they could not believe.
Jesus is The Truth, The Whole Truth and nothing but The Truth, He would not allow disciples to walk away with a wrongful understanding, they walked away because they rightly understood Him, but could not believe.
“This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
The words Jesus spoke were spirit and life, meant to be believed by spiritual Faith granted by The Father, not understood of the flesh, human reasoning.
“ Will you also go away ?”
It’s an impossible teaching to believe, unless by spiritual Faith in Jesus words.
Peter makes that supernatural act of Faith in Jesus words and believed Him.
Peter and the disciples did not fully understand, but they believed it because Jesus said it. “ You have the words of everlasting life “.
There was one marked disciple that remained, but did not believe Jesus words.
64However, there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray Him.)
“Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” 71He was speaking about Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. For although Judas was one of the Twelve, he was later to betray Jesus.”
Judas did not believe Jesus flesh was real food and blood real drink, but ate anyway at the Last Supper.
“ When Judas had eaten the bread, Satan entered into him. “
Thankfully it isn’t a valid Eucharist among those denominations that do not believe Jesus words literally. It does not end well for those that receive the Body and Blood of Jesus unworthily or without belief.
Correction, it doesn’t go well for those believing in sacrament’s as the way to salvation… they listen to corrupt clerical vs scripture.
Matthew 7:21-23
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The Catholic prohibition against secret societies and secret oaths exists because it is against the Christian belief. Masons are occult (hidden ) by nature of their secrecy and thus are of the dark, not the light.
Yoking by secret and common oath with unbelievers who do not believe in the God of the Bible, but foreign and pagan Gods is against scripture.
Masonic symbols are borrowed from ancient mystery religions of Egypt and Greece as well as other esoteric and pagan traditions such as alchemy, Hermeticism, and Kabbalism.
The Masonic Deistic God, Naturalism and indifferentism, accepts each man’s god is equal to and not less than the one true God. Seriously evil.
So my uncle was excommunicated?!? What is the view of the RCC on that? Is it now that your being punished, you are banished from the one true church thus you are resigned to hell… pretty punitive don’t you think? Anyway the Lutheran Church was just glad to offer him sanctuary. On another note, he owned half the town in the day and the money that was earmarked to the Catholic Church now shifts to Luther. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face LOL!
I do not delineate sin from sin and Joining the Masons enriched the community… not sinful at all....and all start in the mind. Uncle Pat tested the RCC in their stupidity and was punished for it..didn’t seem to bother him. Then regarding sacraments, I don’t believe in baptism as being critical to ones salvation, nor do I see receiving communion as being a step in my salvation. Honestly, I don’t see sacraments as critical factors to my salvation. However the Catholic Church always taught they were necessary. Let’s take infant baptism for example. In my day a baby Had to be baptized soon after it’s birth because without that sacrament, should it die then it’s soul would go to a place called Limbo (not heaven and not hell— but a place of separation), and of course no parent wants that.
Now if I didn’t go to mass each Sunday, then I couldn’t receive communion and thus not warrant the Grace necessary to go to heaven should I die then and there. Honestly I always disputed that as a kid and now as an adult. That Grace is “Freely Provided” by the Holy Spirit not metted out by the RCC for jumping the hoops of their system.
And I don’t need to go to any priest to confess my sins to.... that’s bowing to another flawed human to give me absolution ( and that’s Gods responsibility, not theirs ).
Now if I didn’t go to mass each Sunday, then I couldn’t receive communion and thus not warrant the Grace necessary to go to heaven should I die then and there. Honestly I always disputed that as a kid and now as an adult. That Grace is “Freely Provided” by the Holy Spirit not metted out by the RCC for jumping the hoops of their system.
And I don’t need to go to any priest to confess my sins to.... that’s bowing to another flawed human to give me absolution ( and that’s Gods responsibility, not theirs ).
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Again they excommunicated my Uncle Pat for joining a Masonic Lodge but Joe Biden is allowed to promote abortions?
Pope Francis considers it an ‘incoherence’ that President Biden, a Catholic, supports abortion rights
Pope Francis considers it an ‘incoherence’ that President Biden, a Catholic, supports abortion rights
Exactly. And the same is with Jesus being bread (the Bread of Life) and Wine.
At the Supper Jesus was speaking metaphorically, indicating participation in a covenant (a new covenant).
Catholicism is a blend of Christianity and Roman paganism. This was necessary as Catholicism came about as the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as it's official religion, going to the extent of compelling those within the Empire to convert.
We see the same everytime religion is forced in a people. They reach back to claim a history that does not belong to them and develop a sect that is an amalgamation of Christianity and the original pagan faith.
We see this with the Hebrew religion leading up to the Hasmonean Dynasty, with the Catholic Church, with earlier Christianity in Ireland, with Christianity in parts of Latin America, and with Christianity in a sect of Louisiana (as examples).
But to your question - Jesus is present in Communion. But the point is not Jesus being there in a unique way. It is Christians participating as a testimony to Him, to His blood shed and His body broken as a new covenant. The point is the Christians part in the Covenant.
Good for the Catholic Church! He must have joined the ultra liberal ELCA because the rest of the Lutheran synods would not allow him communion being a Mason either. The LCMS, WELS, ELC, and other conservative synods recognize what the Masons are all about.
They do good things for the community. The Shriners in Philly have a very good childrens hospital.
Being a Mason is incompatible with the Christian faith. The Masons teach a naturalistic religion that espouses indifferentism, the position that a person can be equally pleasing to God while remaining in any religion.
Masonry is a parallel religion to Christianity. The New Catholic Encyclopedia states, “Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites.”
This is why all bible believing Lutheran synods ban members of lodges from receiving communion just like the Catholic Church. BTW, Mormons do a lot of really good things for the community.
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Then why isn't the RCC ex-excommunicating every RC politician who votes for abortion?
There is no sanctuary from the Apostolic judgement, simply because there is no sanctuary from the Truth.
If he has yoked himself by secret oaths of fellowship to unbelieving men and their gods, he has put other gods before the one true God.
The Deistic indifferentism masons practice is completely antithetical to the Scriptures, and Christianity.
Excommunication is a loving response at that point. To receive the Eucharist in that state, is something I don’t want to imagine, nor wish on anyone.
The only remedy is for your Uncle Pat to renounce his Masonic secret oaths and practices and reconcile himself to God again.
I’ll pray for him.
They are excommunicated Ipso facto, by the very fact they support this sin.
However the Catholic Church will officially excommunicate someone, if they believe that by such action, it will draw that person to repent and change their behaviour.
Each time a person receives communion in that state, it compounds their punishment in a way that is beyond imagining either here or in eternity.
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Yeah, I experienced something beyond description a few years ago. It changed my life. And the first thing I thought of was the conversation you referred to between Jesus and Nicodemus. I see things differently now than before I was born again.
That sounds like a really cool experience. I'm glad you're still learning, too! That's what we have to do. God likes it when we learn more about him. It doesn't matter where we are at in our journey. There's so much for us to learn every day.
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