Originally posted by Petrel:(snipped)
Because Jesus walking on water, feeding the five thousand, and working other miracles is explicitly said to be miraculous. The vapor canopy is just ituttut's personal interpretation of one verse. Moreover, I think it is a mistaken interpretation, as I have said before, because God miraculously creating and sustaining a vapor canopy would be contrary to every other part of creation where he made the object and set it along its way according to natural law.
People who thinking that God just warped in water to make the flood and zooped it away when it was done don't bother me. My only complaint there is that the geological evidence is not consistent with a recent global flood. If it weren't for that I might tend to agree with them.
Hello Petrel. You are right in your Oct. 5 post on page 4, viz. “I don't see the point in arguing the science with ituttut because he has obviously decided that his interpretation of this verse must be right and is accepting it as a matter of faith”. I know little of nothing about science, other than some things that make sense to me. My science holds more water than any science presented here of that world that then was. What was then is not now. I see you agree with me of how it was done, and it was not done by natural means, or rather “natural law”. You surprised me in correctly “pegging me” as one of faith, not needing or requiring proof (I believe today unavailable to us). I thank you for that.
Here is what I believe. Genesis 1:6-7,
”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.” This was done by “supernatural law”, as was all creation. With the “water vapor Canopy” in place, this “supernatural law” was in harmony with all of creation at that time.
Here is what I believe. Genesis 1:8-10,
”And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9. And God said, Let the waters under the Heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.” This was done by “supernatural law”, and was in harmony will all of creation at that time. The Canopy didn’t leak a drop of water.
Here is what I believe. All the way to Genesis 11, the Canopy held, and that world of “supernatural law” continued. The earth and heaven that was is not going to be the same. The dynamics will change, and energy not being able to sustain in its “supernatural law”. It will deteriorate into what you claim what was “from the beginning”, viz. “natural law”. This is the reason none are able to explain verses 11 and 12,
”11. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.” We can’t explain the passing of those, the heaven and earth that then was, or the rain of 40 days and forty nights by “natural law”.
I believe chapter 8, and verse 22,
”While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.” Here is something we are able to understand in our “natural law”.
In chapter 9 we get more natural law, and even the authority for the “death penalty”. And in verse nine I see the evidence of the “natural law”. We call it Rainbow. He set His bow in the clouds confirming what He had said in chapter eight, “while the earth remaineth, “natural law” will rule. He knows when the energy of this world will run out.
I don’t wish to apply all of II Peter 3:5-7 here, but only to clarify the passing of that heaven and earth of the “supernatural law”, how it was created, and what holds this world together.
The heavens of old, and the earth standing out of the water, and in the water was created by Jesus Christ, the Word of God. That world perished, being overflowed with water. The “supernatural law”, unbounded and never ending energy was allowed to be degraded. Jesus Christ today keeps in store our heaven and earth until a time determined. Christian faith, ituttut