Particular
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Jon, you are being vague. Is this intentional? If so, why?
What presupposition do you now ascribe to? Jesus had a pet turtle?
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Ex-Calvinism (Why I am no longer a Calvinist)
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Jon, you are being vague. Is this intentional? If so, why?
What presupposition do you now ascribe to? Jesus had a pet turtle?
My current presupposition is that fundamental doctrines (those we build upon) need to be stated in the Biblical text itself. That is where I separate from Calvinists.
atpollard
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Are Turtles a clean or unclean animal?
37818
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Hmm. . . .
Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death; . . ."
Ezekiel 18:4, ". . . the soul that sinneth, it shall die."
Romans 5:8, ". . . while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Isaiah 53:12, ". . . he hath poured out his soul unto death: . . ."
Isaiah 53:6, "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death; . . ."
Ezekiel 18:4, ". . . the soul that sinneth, it shall die."
Romans 5:8, ". . . while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Isaiah 53:12, ". . . he hath poured out his soul unto death: . . ."
Isaiah 53:6, "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Particular
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This is an incredibly vague comment by you. Are you intentionally avoiding telling us what you believe and how scripture supports your belief?
I told you we can discuss my view on a thread started on my view if you would like.
BUT you are asking me to explain my views and defend my views on post #165 of a thread about another topic.
Do you think that an honest request?
I beg to differ. I do embrace TULIP but I am not a Calvinist. A Calvinist is a follower of all Calvins teaching including baby baptism and jumping hoops of sacraments. Plus they define predestination as involving Gods scripting every fiction of your life. I don’t believe that!
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Particular
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I think this thread is dishonest in that the op is vague and explains nothing about Calvinist presuppositions and why they are not supported biblically. I think you have provided no biblical reason for why you reject Calvinist presuppositions.
To be clear, I affirm Calvinism EXCEPT for the idea divine justice is in accord with the 15th century humanistic legal philosophy as I believe that philosophy inherently wrong.
If Calvinism does not hold that presupposition then I have affirmed Calvinism. If it does then I only reject the presupposition and its fruit.
that would be presbie Reformed, but not us Baptist reformed!
You are rejecting penal Substitution, correct?
And also that Adam experienced spiritual death in the fall?
I am rejecting a form of the philosophy of justice called "rertibutive justice".
If Penal Substitution Theory depends on that philosophy then yes. If not then no.
Is there any other basis for it though?
Yes baptism and sacramental worship but what about prestination?
Then you resemble the Franciscans!
If they had a shaved head then I do. I'm letting it grow out though.
Calvinist can and do affirm either single or double predestination, but only Hyper ones affirm Fatalism!
A very different way of living Jon
Well, I could not have hair for 23 years. (I know nothing about that group)
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