False Religion of Arminianism

[Iconoclast]

It is not God's difficulty. It is yours not believing the general redemption is true. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4.

So in your mind;
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

means all biblically reformed Christians are not partakers of the gospel, but rather have been tricked by Satan.
Only you with your unbiblical view has survived to warn others of the doctrines of grace???

Does that sum up your unbiblical novelties?

 

[37818]

So in your mind;
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

means all biblically reformed Christians are not partakers of the gospel, but rather have been tricked by Satan.

That is your thinking, not mine.
People are lost because of a lack of the gospel. And Satan is able further keep the lost from believing it because of their prior non-belief. In other words the general redemption is true. If the light of the gospel would shine in them their redemption would show them salvation. The gospel being correctly understood and believed. The lost are lost because of lack of the gospel. Any number of things that hide the true gospel.

 

[37818]

OK. That's fair enough and a good point. I personally have no problem telling someone that Christ died for their sins. Because if He didn't they will reject my attempt to witness by their own free will anyway. It all works together. When we talk to someone about Christ we aren't required to be theologians. I was reading a sermon by Jonathan Edwards where he told people that God has contrived the method of salvation and everything has been done for them - but God is waiting for their consent. That's probably not theologically precise either.

You really should look into the Amyraldian atonement theory. I think it is close to what you believe as someone suggested earlier.

I believe in conditional election. Unmerited being the primary condition. Not unconditional, Matthew,7:21, John 7:17, John 3:3 etc. God's grace is resistable, Acts 7:51, Hebrews 10:29, etc

 

[37818]

This is more than our disagreement going back and forth. But to proved instruction as to how and why as to what we believe and understand.​

 

[Reformed1689]

That not being true, you know nothing of the sort. You believe you do. From your view, no one can know Christ died for them.

It is true, and I do know, Scripture says so. And I never argued the second half of your post. That is a strawman argument.

 

[Reformed1689]

You can never know, in your view, who are and are not elect. None of them can have grounds to believe the. gospel. Because none of them can known for sure Christ even died for them.

Not what I said at all.

 

[Reformed1689]

I have heard no explanation how before conversation one can come to believe Christ paid for one's sins without hearing Christ paid for one's sins. It is either an unfounded assumption or believing in the general redemption and not admitting so.

One doesn't before conversion.

 

[AustinC]

[QUOTE="37818, post: 2766982, member: 14338"]I believe in conditional election. Unmerited being the primary condition. Not unconditional, Matthew,7:21, John 7:17, John 3:3 etc. God's grace is resistable, Acts 7:51, Hebrews 10:29, etc[/QUOTE]
Your statement is nonsense talk.
Unmerited cancels out any condition and is not the condition. None of your single verses declare such a thing, nor does the context of the passages declare such a thing.
In essence, you are making this up.

 

[37818]

It is true, and I do know, Scripture says so.

There is no Scripture which disallows the general redemption. Only denials.
You have no proof Jesus' betrayer was excluded from His words, "This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

 

[AustinC]

There is no Scripture which disallows the general redemption. Only denials.
You have no proof Jesus' betrayer was excluded from His words, "This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

There is no scripture that disallows snorkling either.
At this point you are making things up and saying if God didn't directly say it ain't so, then it must be so. Such reasoning is ludicrous.

 

[Iconoclast]

That is your thinking, not mine.
People are lost because of a lack of the gospel. And Satan is able further keep the lost from believing it because of their prior non-belief. In other words the general redemption is true. If the light of the gospel would shine in them their redemption would show them salvation. The gospel being correctly understood and believed. The lost are lost because of lack of the gospel. Any number of things that hide the true gospel.

This post is borderline incoherent. I do not believe in censorship, so I do not mind what you posted. but it is clear what you posted. This post confirms you lack a biblical understanding of salvation.You said;

"their redemption would show them salvation"????

So they are a blank slate and do not need a new heart, just for redemption itself to show them???
okay...you go with that.

 

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[Reformed1689]

There is no Scripture which disallows the general redemption. Only denials.
You have no proof Jesus' betrayer was excluded from His words, "This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

So Judas as saved then? Because if Christ died for Judas you only have two options:

1. Judas was saved
2. Christ's sacrifice was not good enough to save Judas, not powerful enough, a weak God.

There is no third option.

 

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