False Teacher Andy Stanley

[Reynolds]

Actually, Ken Ham addressed that point if you listen to the video linked above. He and his staff, as I tried to point out in the thread, reviewed the material in detail and Ken Ham said that it would be unethical to do what you suggest. The video shows the link to Andy Stanley's YouTube postings, but I declined to link them because I do not want to promote false teaching. The statements in quotation marks are words that Andy Stanley printed on his own videos.

So, no, you are wrong to say that these are taken out of context. Actually, they are summaries of his teachings. The Baptist Board has already hosted threads about Andy Stanley's well-known statement that the OT should be unhitched from the NT so that fact is well documented. What we have here is just more detail about the background as to why Andy Stanley thinks that the OT is false.

They are very much out of context. I have examined the sermon series they came from.

 

[Reynolds]

Andy Stanley when he questions the infallibility of The Holy Bible, which is perfect, and wants to toss out the OT including the Ten Commandments, and says that the Universe began by the Big Bang, (does he think that we are made of stardust?) has veered into heresy. In my opinion, he is just another liberal theologian in the pulpit. He says that any challenge to him personally is a violation of Acts 15:19 (KJV) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God. A challenge to Andy Stanley interferes with people getting saved by his organization. Look at the video from AiG. It is really sad for the people in his church and for him also since Peter says that he will bring on his own swift destruction.

There is no way you have watched the series in question.

 

[Reynolds]

There is a lot more on Andy Stanley that AiG did not discuss but I think that you are correct to lump him with J.D. Greear.

Here is a short clip of what Andy Stanley is saying about Scripture.

Too short. Link the series.

 

[church mouse guy]

All these statements by Stanley have been discussed here before. As pointed out earlier, Stanley must be kept in proper context. Stanley is not in my list of preachers I regularly listen to, but I know a lot about him because our associate pastor used to be on staff with him. He definitely believes in infaliability of scripture and literal Genesis account of creation. I encourage you to listen to the entire series each clip was taken from. Notice I said series, not sermon. Stanley does not usually back track. If he is preaching sermon 7, he is not going to restate a qualifier he gave you in sermon 2.

No, Stanley does not believe in the infallibility of Scripture. He says that the OT is a house of cards. No, Stanley does not believe in literal Genesis; he calls it Creation Myth and says that it has to be set aside for the "scientific" theory of Big Bang.. I am convinced that he is a false teacher and I more than trust the analysis of AiG. We need to pray for Stanley because Peter said that false teachers have a swift destruction.

 

[Salty]

All these statements by Stanley have been discussed here before. As pointed out earlier, Stanley must be kept in proper context. Stanley is not in my list of preachers I regularly listen to, but I know a lot about him because our associate pastor used to be on staff with him. He definitely believes in infaliability of scripture and literal Genesis account of creation. I encourage you to listen to the entire series each clip was taken from. Notice I said series, not sermon. Stanley does not usually back track. If he is preaching sermon 7, he is not going to restate a qualifier he gave you in sermon 2.

North Point church was started over 20 years ago - views of pastors change over time - not saying Andy has dropped any fundamental beliefs - but........

 

[SovereignGrace]

They are very much out of context. I have examined the sermon series they came from.

If Andy Stanley denied the resurrection, you would find some way of covering for him.

 

[Yeshua1]

All these statements by Stanley have been discussed here before. As pointed out earlier, Stanley must be kept in proper context. Stanley is not in my list of preachers I regularly listen to, but I know a lot about him because our associate pastor used to be on staff with him. He definitely believes in infaliability of scripture and literal Genesis account of creation. I encourage you to listen to the entire series each clip was taken from. Notice I said series, not sermon. Stanley does not usually back track. If he is preaching sermon 7, he is not going to restate a qualifier he gave you in sermon 2.

He appears to deny that scriptures though, as in picking and choosing what is to be accepted, and he does seem to want to get rid of the OT, or at least just preach/teach NT only!

 

[Yeshua1]

North Point church was started over 20 years ago - views of pastors change over time - not saying Andy has dropped any fundamental beliefs - but........

He seems to be really "fuzzy" now though on how inspired the Bible really is, and seems to be wanting a NT only bible to use...

 

[Yeshua1]

From The WIW dept:

Stanley received a bachelor's degree in journalism from Georgia State University and later earned a master's degree from Dallas Theological Seminary

My pastor graduated from DTS, and he never got from there what AS is now giving out to his flock!

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't know what denomination Andy Stanley is, if any, but he does not believe that Scripture is infallible or that the Holy Bible is perfect. I would say that for me personally this is false: However, "the Bible did not create Christianity." "The resurrection of Jesus created Christianity." He talks about the historical fact of the resurrection but it is thought that he is not talking about NT evidence but ancient sources. He wants to throw out the OT although it is 25% of the NT and he wants to throw out the Ten Commandments. He says that man is made in God's image but that it not in the NT so where does he get it?

He is really confused and wrong, and would not want him as my Pastor!

 

[Reynolds]

No, Stanley does not believe in the infallibility of Scripture. He says that the OT is a house of cards. No, Stanley does not believe in literal Genesis; he calls it Creation Myth and says that it has to be set aside for the "scientific" theory of Big Bang.. I am convinced that he is a false teacher and I more than trust the analysis of AiG. We need to pray for Stanley because Peter said that false teachers have a swift destruction.

You obviously have not listened to his full explanations in his series. You should actually listen to his teaching about the house of cards. It is easily misunderstood but powerful if properly applied. Stanley believes in a literal 6 day creation. He has made that clear many times.

 

[Reynolds]

North Point church was started over 20 years ago - views of pastors change over time - not saying Andy has dropped any fundamental beliefs - but........

He hasn't. His ministry audience has changed. He is mainly evangelizing post modern indoctrinated college students and recent graduates. He is still very fundamental in his beliefs. He has changed his mode to a baby steps approach. His approach is that you do not hAve to believe in Genesis creation to be saved. You don't have to believe the flood to be saved. You don't have to believe the Old Testament to be saved. Once you are saved, as you mature, you will grow to a point you believe all them. He is targeting an audience that believes there is no truth much less absolute truth. His approach is very effective but easily misunderstood.

 

[Reynolds]

If Andy Stanley denied the resurrection, you would find some way of covering for him.

No. The point is that he has not denied anything.

 

[Reynolds]

He appears to deny that scriptures though, as in picking and choosing what is to be accepted, and he does seem to want to get rid of the OT, or at least just preach/teach NT only!

He preaches a baby step path. He is very fundamental in what he believes. He teaches that one need only accept the essential doctrines for salvation. Once one is saved, they will matuture and eventually get to the point they accept literal creation etc. He is effective in reaching his target audience of post modernists.

 

[Yeshua1]

He hasn't. His ministry audience has changed. He is mainly evangelizing post modern indoctrinated college students and recent graduates. He is still very fundamental in his beliefs. He has changed his mode to a baby steps approach. His approach is that you do not hAve to believe in Genesis creation to be saved. You don't have to believe the flood to be saved. You don't have to believe the Old Testament to be saved. Once you are saved, as you mature, you will grow to a point you believe all them. He is targeting an audience that believes there is no truth much less absolute truth. His approach is very effective but easily misunderstood.

Does he believe in what he has said regarding the OT and the Law though?

 

[Yeshua1]

He preaches a baby step path. He is very fundamental in what he believes. He teaches that one need only accept the essential doctrines for salvation. Once one is saved, they will matuture and eventually get to the point they accept literal creation etc. He is effective in reaching his target audience of post modernists.

He appears though to be undermining to them the surety of the scriptures in his approach, more akin to a Willow Creek seeker church, or an Emergent one!

 

[Reynolds]

Does he believe in what he has said regarding the OT and the Law though?

What exact statement?
He believes the O.T. He does not believe it is essential to the doctrines of Salvation.

 

[Reynolds]

He appears though to be undermining to them the surety of the scriptures in his approach, more akin to a Willow Creek seeker church, or an Emergent one!

He does walk that line. You must keep in mind that he is dealing with people that reject on iits face any assertion of absolute truth. His witnessing approach works well in dealing with younger generation of un churched, secularly educated. They do not believe The Bible. They don't care what it says. They are willing to investigate. Ask them "Why did all Jesus apostles die agonizing deaths to advance a lie that in no way profited them financially?" They will research it. They will confirm in secular sources that the apostles were martyred. They will really question why Peter was willing to die upside down on a cross to perpetuate a hoax.

 

[Yeshua1]

What exact statement?
He believes the O.T. He does not believe it is essential to the doctrines of Salvation.

He seems to be saying that we are no longer to obey the Law, and also that the Church got rid of the OT, as was built upon jesus alone now?

 

[Reynolds]

He seems to be saying that we are no longer to obey the Law, and also that the Church got rid of the OT, as was built upon jesus alone now?

He is saying we only have to keep 2 laws and in their keeping the law is kept.