Finally an end to birtherism?

[Sonjeo]

It covers alot of ground for them in a short time. It's much easier to dismiss their opponents as racists than explain why Obama has repeatedly lied to them (his supporters) about practically everything.

There we go again into the irrational. Obama of course has not lied about practically everything. Now why would we be so eager to make such irrational statements?
Those who question such "lies" are concerned about policy not birther concerns and his personal legitimacy. I don't see any reason why a person who critisizes Obama on his backtracking on policy would be racist but the birthers and those pushing for personal illegitimacy are another story.

 

[Arbo]

Or provide any real proof.

If I was a gambling man...:smilewinkgrin:

 

[poncho]

Agree with everything you said.

Obama is evidently an accomplished liar. So far he's lied about everything "cept" where he was born?

Why at this point knowing he is such a liar should we believe anything he claims?

And . . .

Why aren't his supporters up in arms about all the lies he's told them?

 

[billwald]

>Bill, could you please explain how the social contract and culture of Oriental people are superior to that of whites?

Simple answer is that in the USA money is the measure of most things. Asians have a higher median income than white people. They are earning the scholarships and are over represented in colleges. They are becoming over represented (as measured by populations) in the professions.

Koreans have a tradition that 4 families will resolve to buy each of them a business in turn. Any other group does that? Are there four families in your church which would trust each other to make an oral agreement to buy each family a business? Not in my church.

The easiest start-up business is a neighborhood store or cafe. When we got an influx of Korean people into Washington State the liquor board refused to give them a beer/wine license because they could not document their funding and it was assumed they were washing Mafia money. Took a few years for the Koreans to convince the board that Koreans were more honest and dependable than white people.

 

[Salty]

...The only reasonable explanation is irrational racism.

Are you for real?

Why can you not accept that conservatives do not have a racist problem, but rather an idealogical difference with liberals - and that includes some of your well known white ones, such as the late Ted Kennedy and Robert "KKK" Byrd.

ARBO put it best:
Q- Why do Dems/Liberals consistently call those who criticise or question Obama racists?
A- They have nothing else.

As far as that health care - Rep Pelosi put it best -
as to what is wrong with it
BTW, how many pages of the health care bill did you read.
You dont plan on selling your home in the near future are you?

 

[poncho]

There we go again into the irrational. Obama of course has not lied about practically everything. Now why would we be so eager to make such irrational statements?
Those who question such "lies" are concerned about policy not birther concerns and his personal legitimacy. I don't see any reason why a person who critisizes Obama on his backtracking on policy would be racist but the birthers and those pushing for personal illegitimacy are another story.

Did you ever stop to think maybe these so called "birthers" are more concerned with upholding the law as written in the U.S. Constitution than what color the man's skin is?

Apparently not. The racist angle is just an easy out for people who care more about defending their chosen candidate than upholding the law.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

Simple answer is that in the USA money is the measure of most things. Asians have a higher median income than white people. They are earning the scholarships and are over represented in colleges. They are becoming over represented (as measured by populations) in the professions.

While it's true that Asians in the U.S. make more money, I think you're being short-sighted. A lot of Asian countries are less well-off than predominately white countries. Some of them, like Vietnam, North Korea, and the Philippines are living hells. Looking at it from a world-wide perspective, white people make more money than Asians.

 

[Sonjeo]

Are you for real?

Why can you not accept that conservatives do not have a racist problem, but rather an idealogical difference with liberals

BTW, how many pages of the health care bill did you read.

I fully understand the ideological difference but this is in regards to the Republicans previous free market healthcare bill alternative to the Democrats now offered to the Republicans where there was intentionally supposed to be little or no idealogical difference. The Republican version, believe it or not, even included the individual mandate. But get if from Obama and it is the end of the world.
Give me a break.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

Did you ever stop to think maybe these so called "birthers" are more concerned with upholding the law as written in the U.S. Constitution than what color the man's skin is?

I don't think most birthers are racist, but I know that, as a progressive, my positions are more consistent with the Constitution than most extreme right-wingers.

 

[Sonjeo]

Did you ever stop to think maybe these so called "birthers" are more concerned with upholding the law as written in the U.S. Constitution than what color the man's skin is?

Apparently not. The racist angle is just an easy out for people who care more about defending their chosen candidate than upholding the law.

Obama obeyed the law. He was born in Hawaii and legally ran for president and proved it early on with the certified certificate like McCain but was rejected unlike McCain. Get real.

Ok, got a life and got to go. Wish I could get on here more often.

Peace.

 

[Arbo]

Did you ever stop to think maybe these so called "birthers" are more concerned with upholding the law as written in the U.S. Constitution than what color the man's skin is?

Apparently not. The racist angle is just an easy out for people who care more about defending their chosen candidate than upholding the law.

I think that thinking Dems/Libs realise this, but they know they have no legitimate rebuttal so the accusation of racism is used. I think nonthinking Dems/Libs, which if I were to guess are probably the majority of them, just parrot what the others say. I mean this in a general sense only.

 

[Arbo]

I don't think most birthers are racist, but I know that, as a progressive, my positions are more consistent with the Constitution than most extreme right-wingers.

It is refreshing to hear a Lefty acknowledge that most are not racist.

There's hope yet! :laugh::thumbsup:

 

[Arbo]

Because the questions have reached into irrational proportions where racism is the primary irrational motive.

And you know this how? I will be very suprised if you can give an unbiased citation.

Can't do it, can you?

 

[poncho]

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

SOURCE

After almost two years of campaigning, Democrat candidate Barrack Obama, Republican, John McCain yesterday brought their train to a halt in their respective home states to await the verdict of Americans.

So far, the odds favour the once underdog in American politics, Obama, the African-American Senator from Illinois State .

A Congressional Quarterly (CQ) politics monitored on BBC put the Kenyan born American ahead of his rival, Senator McCain.

SOURCE

4 Supreme Court Cases define “natural born citizen”

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. . . .
​

In each case Barry Soetero, later known as Barack Hussein Obama fails to qualify as a natural born citizen.

Finally it should be noted, that to define a term is to indicate the category or class of things which it signifies. In this sense, the Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

Hence every U.S. Citizen must accept this definition or categorical designation, and fulfil his constitutional duties accordingly. No member of Congress, no judge of the Federal Judiciary, no elected or appointed official in Federal or State government has the right to use any other definition; and if he does, he is acting unlawfully, because unconstitutionally.

1 Thing is certain about Obama

 

[Robert Snow]

And you have a problem with that?

Don't right-wingers have freedom of speech?

No more freedom of speech than I do for mentioning it.

 

[Robert Snow]

I did not say Obama was a liberal - I said he was an EXTREME LIBERAL


So a black man and a white man believes the exact same thing, but one is racist due to the color of his skin - that just about sounds racist to me




I have actually heard Rush say nice things about both Clintons - true not a whole lot, but every now and then. He also has been critical of certain Republicans. Do you remember a few years ago when Rush obtained a trial separation from the Republican Party?
Conversely Extremely liberal Talk show host Stephanie Miller has never said one bad thing about Obama, and tears down every Republican.
Rush will actually listen to a liberal - true - he will try to convert him - but Miller - will use any trick in the book - even lies - to make a conservative look bad.

Disclaimer - I an not a total Rush Lover - but he is much more accepting of his opponents than Miller is

For someone who is "not a total Rush lover" you seem to know a lot about him. As far as Stephanie Miller is concerned, I don't even know who she is, let alone what she says. I live in the right-wing Capital of Houston, Texas. We don't have progressive talk radio here. We are stuck with the three stooges, Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck!

 

[carpro]

There we go again into the irrational. Obama of course has not lied about practically everything.

Really!

What planet have you been living on the past 3 years? :laugh:

 

[poncho]

The bottom line here is that it doesn't matter where or when Obama was born. He has never been eligible to hold the office of POTUS because he is not a "natural born citizen" as defined by the constitution of the United States, the Supreme Court and the Law of Nations.


The birth certificate issue is a diversion. The law states one has to be born of two parents that are citizens to be a natural born citizen and one has to be a natural born citizen to be eligible to hold the office of POTUS.

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”

Not “native” or “naturalized” or “citizen,” but only “natural born” citizens can hold the office of president.

The matter is quite clear and it is on this basis that I have written that John Sidney McCain is indeed a “natural born citizen” of the United States, and the Barack Hussein Obama is not, no matter where in the world he might have been born.

A Hawaiian birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama solves nothing, other than curiosity. A “certification of live birth” means even less, as it only confirms that a child was indeed “born live”—with no reference as to where that birth took place, or who attended or witnessed that birth. source

But I submit to every American the idea that if Article II—Section I of the US Constitution is no longer worthy of protection and preservation, then nothing in that document matters anymore.

If we fail to uphold Article II—Section I of the US Constitution, then we have failed to uphold, protect, preserve or defend any part of the US Constitution or the American way of life.

If the US Constitution no longer stands, then the United States of America no longer stands.

Is there a more pressing issue on the table today? source

Y'all have just wasted 19 pages on a non issue.

 

[poncho]

Obama obeyed the law. He was born in Hawaii and legally ran for president and proved it early on with the certified certificate like McCain but was rejected unlike McCain. Get real.

Ok, got a life and got to go. Wish I could get on here more often.

Peace.

No Obama did not obey the law, neither did the democratic party, neither did the republican party. The courts are acting as if they are blind to the law, and the conglomerated corporate mass dream media not only ignores the law it seeks to keep Americans ingnorant of the law.

Obama is not now nor has he ever been eligible to hold the office of POTUS!

Obama is not a natural born citizen of these United States. Native born? Maybe. Natural born? Most certainly not!

The requirement (LAW) is and always has been since the adoption of the U.S. constitution that in order to be eligible to be POTUS one must be a natural born citizen, not merely a native born citizen. There are no "exception" clauses.

Obama did not follow the law, therefore he did not obey the law. So, not only is the man a consummate liar he is a law breaker as well.

You are the one who needs to "get real" here.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

Obama is not now nor has he ever been eligible to hold the office of POTUS!

Obama is not a natural born citizen of these United States. Native born? Maybe. Natural born? Most certainly not!

The requirement (LAW) is and always has been since the adoption of the U.S. constitution that in order to be eligible to be POTUS one must be a natural born citizen, not merely a native born citizen. There are no "exception" clauses.

All natural born means is that one holds citizenship at birth.