"Finished work on the cross."

[37818]

The book of Hebrews is in essence a homily on the Christian Eucharistic sacrifice, <snip>

No.

". . . But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. . . .
". . . For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. . . ." -- Hebews 9:11-12; Hebrews 9:24-26.
". . . By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. . . ." -- Hebrews 10:10.
". . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. . . ." -- John 1:28-30.

 

[JoeT]

No.

". . . But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. . . .
". . . For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. . . ." -- Hebews 9:11-12; Hebrews 9:24-26.

And until the high priest leaves the Holy of Holies ("not made by hands") that one Sacrifice continues to be offered. Hence: ". . . By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. . . ." -- Hebrews 10:10, continually over each day, ear, age to age until His second coming.

". . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. . . ." -- John 1:28-30.

"Fulfilled", that is perfected. He makes perfect the sacrifice of blood real and eternal in that perfection. Hence, when He says "This IS my Body . . . This IS my Blood" we understand it as the blood that is offered continually before the throne of heaven, perfectly and until the end of time.

JoeT

 

[37818]

And until the high priest leaves the Holy of Holies ("not made by hands") that one Sacrifice continues to be offered. Hence: ". . . By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. . . ." -- Hebrews 10:10, continually

No. It means the man Jesus remains at the right hand of the Father as sole mediator until He appears the second time. Hebrews 9:12; Hebrews 9:24; 1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 9:28.

 

[JoeT]

No. It means the man Jesus remains at the right hand of the Father as sole mediator until He appears the second time. Hebrews 9:12; Hebrews 9:24; 1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 9:28.

Not 'men', rather a particular man, Jesus Christ. He is simultaneously offering up the sacrifice of the victim. Christ, holds His Body in His own hands offering it at the throne of God. Else, you do not have payment for sin, penal or otherwise.

JoeT

 

[Yeshua1]

The book of Hebrews is in essence a homily on the Christian Eucharistic sacrifice, taking the reader from Old Testament sacrifice of the blood of the covenant in Exodus 24 to Christ’'s blood of the New Covenant and our participation in it.

We are not cannibals, as we by faith received the spiritual blessings described in Hebrews, but not by eating his literal flesh and drinking his literal blood!

 

[Yeshua1]

How many human bodies does Jesus Christ have? Does He put these bodies on like I put on a good suit?

JoeT

Jesus has but one physical body, but that one is now glorified, forever he is the God Man!

 

[Walpole]

We are not cannibals, as we by faith received the spiritual blessings described in Hebrews, but not by eating his literal flesh and drinking his literal blood!

If you are eating something that symbolizes His body and blood, you are engaging in symbolic cannibalism.

 

[tyndale1946]

If you are eating something that symbolizes His body and blood, you are engaging in symbolic cannibalism.

Its a representation not transubstantiation... Brother Glen

 

[JoeT]

Its a representation not transubstantiation... Brother Glen

How does a symbol give eternal life or abide in one [Cf. John 6:55-57]. Isn't that iconic fetishism?

JoeT

 

[Walpole]

Its a representation not transubstantiation... Brother Glen

If it's representing Christ's body and blood, then you are practicing representational cannibalism.

 

[Walter]

We are not cannibals, as we by faith received the spiritual blessings described in Hebrews, but not by eating his literal flesh and drinking his literal blood!

Are you aware that the early Christians were accused of cannibalism because of their belief that they fed on Christ true body and blood in the Eucharist? Of course not! Early Church history is irrelevant to you!

 

[tyndale1946]

If it's representing Christ's body and blood, then you are practicing representational cannibalism.

We will just have to agree to disagree... Blessings... Brother Glen

 

[Yeshua1]

If you are eating something that symbolizes His body and blood, you are engaging in symbolic cannibalism.

It is still just symbolic of Him upon His Cross, and unlike the Roman church, we now have Him off the Cross!

 

[Yeshua1]

Are you aware that the early Christians were accused of cannibalism because of their belief that they fed on Christ true body and blood in the Eucharist? Of course not! Early Church history is irrelevant to you!

The Romans misunderstood what they were doing, but the Church of Acts had Baptist, not Catholic theology!

 

[Walpole]

It is still just symbolic of Him upon His Cross, and unlike the Roman church, we now have Him off the Cross!

So Jesus instructed His disciples to practice symbolic cannibalism? And that's ok because it's just symbolic and not actual cannibalism?

 

[Yeshua1]

So Jesus instructed His disciples to practice symbolic cannibalism? And that's ok because it's just symbolic and not actual cannibalism?

We are saved by the person and work of Jesus upon His Cross, period, and not thru anything else, not water baptism, Communion, good works etc!

 

[JoeT]

It is still just symbolic of Him upon His Cross, and unlike the Roman church, we now have Him off the Cross!

A symbol of Christ is the representation of the physical or real Second Person of the Trinity, consequently you're saying that you eat a Christ who does not have a physical or concrete existence. Then I need to ask if your Christ is not real? How does an unreal Christ save?

JoeT

 

[Walpole]

We are saved by the person and work of Jesus upon His Cross, period, and not thru anything else, not water baptism, Communion, good works etc!

But Christ's work wasn't completed on the cross...

--> "The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." (Luke 24:7)

---> "Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification."(Romans 4:25)


---> "And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins." (1 Cor 15:17)


Now back to the discussion we were having. Did Christ institute symbolic cannibalism at the Last Supper?

 

[Yeshua1]

A symbol of Christ is the representation of the physical or real Second Person of the Trinity, consequently you're saying that you eat a Christ who does not have a physical or concrete existence. Then I need to ask if your Christ is not real? How does an unreal Christ save?

JoeT

The Christ of the scriptures saves us, but not the Gospel preached by Rome!

 

[Yeshua1]

But Christ's work wasn't completed on the cross...

--> "The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." (Luke 24:7)

---> "Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification."(Romans 4:25)


---> "And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins." (1 Cor 15:17)


Now back to the discussion we were having. Did Christ institute symbolic cannibalism at the Last Supper?

Were they still under the Law, or under the NC, as He did not die yet to bring that to pass?