My sentiments exactly.
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Flight MH370 mystery gets deeper and weirder
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My sentiments exactly.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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Al-Qaeda or an affiliate would be the perpetrator of the theft, but Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia would all be willing to look the other way if/when such a plane passes through their airspace and even uses one of those countries' airfields. Those countries can't afford to have direct involvement by using one of the nationally flagged carriers' planes used, and they can't be directly involved by stealing someone else's aircraft. So they sponsor an al-Qaeda group to carry out the attack.
This isn't news to you. You're being disingenuous in your feigned ignorance.
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Ya got any idee what kind of runway it takes to land one of those things? From what I understand pavement alone is a huge factor. It requires a concrete runway. Turf won't do. Asphalt won't do. You can't land one of those things just any ol' where, it's going to be noticed, the natives are going to take note, and talk about it, and it won't remain a secret for long. Be realistic. What would be the point to hijack an aircraft and then land it somewhere where the aircraft is no longer usable? Be realistic.
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thisnumbersdisconnected
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Pakistan has been, for the first time, officially mentioned as potentially the final destination of missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370.
Fox News was reporting on its morning news shows that Boeing believes the last satellite signals received could not have been sent from the ground, but that those signals could have been turned off manually in the plane's equipment bay, though as has been said for days, that requires someone with a high level of expertise with computer-assisted aircraft flight. They were also reporting that a Singapore Airlines flight from China to Spain may have been "shadowed" by the missing aircraft that, sans transponder signals, would have appeared with the Singapore Airlines flight to be a single blip on the radar. That flight passed legally through Indian, Afghani and Pakistani air space. If MH370 "shadowed" that flight, it could have quickly descended to one of the abandoned American or British airfields inside Pakistan.
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"For a commercial plane to pass undetected through these regions, which are highly militarised with robust air defence networks, many run by the US military, would require a combination of extremely sophisticated navigation, brazen audacity and security failure by those monitoring international airspace....."
The shadowing theory is not new, it was discussed early on and largely discounted due to the odds of it ever being able to be done, especially with a large airliner. Most pilots on the civil aviation forum scoff at the notion.
A lot of confusing and contradictory information has come out concerning this missing aircraft. Originally 'they' were certain that the last satellite ping occurred over water (for whatever reason), now they're saying it could have come from land?
The shadowing theory is not new, it was discussed early on and largely discounted due to the odds of it ever being able to be done, especially with a large airliner. Most pilots on the civil aviation forum scoff at the notion.
A lot of confusing and contradictory information has come out concerning this missing aircraft. Originally 'they' were certain that the last satellite ping occurred over water (for whatever reason), now they're saying it could have come from land?
thisnumbersdisconnected
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Most pilots on the CAF don't have the knowledge or expertise to do it, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be done. Blue Angels and Thunderbird pilots prove close-quarter maneuvering is possible every day, and this wasn't acrobatics -- it was just flying above and behind the other aircraft and could have been as far away as a half-mile without creating a "ghost" radar image, since it had no transponder signal output.
Malaysian government officials were the only ones I heard say the "pings" disappeared over water, and they initially denied Boeing and Rolls-Royce had even talked to The Washington Times when the paper broke the story about the satellite signals in the first place. Malaysian officials have sounded an awful lot like Baghdad Bob in addressing MH370's disappearance.
Boeing never said until late last night what they believed about the plane's location, but they have said for days they were confident the signals stopped either because someone turned them off, or the plane landed.
Posts 18 & 20, Civil Aviation forum:
"The one aspect of the hijacking, terrorism and suicide theories that doesn't make sense to me is, why choose the flight to PEK? If the intended destination was Central Asia, a flight to Europe would have been a better choice. If the intended destination was the southern Indian Ocean, the aircraft could have turned south over the Bay of Bengal. In either case the backtrack over the Gulf of Thailand and Malay Peninsula could have been avoided."
"Unless the target was something very close."
The hijackers might well have missed their intended target and resorted to plan B, ditch the aircraft in the deep ocean far away. I think that is a very plausible scenario here.
"The one aspect of the hijacking, terrorism and suicide theories that doesn't make sense to me is, why choose the flight to PEK? If the intended destination was Central Asia, a flight to Europe would have been a better choice. If the intended destination was the southern Indian Ocean, the aircraft could have turned south over the Bay of Bengal. In either case the backtrack over the Gulf of Thailand and Malay Peninsula could have been avoided."
"Unless the target was something very close."
The hijackers might well have missed their intended target and resorted to plan B, ditch the aircraft in the deep ocean far away. I think that is a very plausible scenario here.
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"EYEWITNESSES claim to have seen a low-flying jumbo jet “with red stripes” similar to that of a missing Malaysia Airlines jet flying over their houses in the Maldives, local media reports.
The Maldivian daily newspaper Haveeru reports residents described a white aircraft with red markings similar to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 passing overhead about 6.15am on March 8.
The claims, which have not been confirmed, follow reports of radar and satellite signals indicating the missing airliner could have followed a track in that general direction.
The holiday islands are about halfway between Malaysia and the east coast of Africa.
It’s about 3200 kilometres from Malaysia - placing it at the extreme edge of how far flight MH370 could travel.
The newspaper reports residents of Kuda Huvadhoo as saying the unknown aircraft made an “incredibly loud noise” as it travelling south-east towards the southern end of the Maldive island chain, the island of Addu.
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If true, dangerously close to Diego Garcia military base.
The Maldivian daily newspaper Haveeru reports residents described a white aircraft with red markings similar to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 passing overhead about 6.15am on March 8.
The claims, which have not been confirmed, follow reports of radar and satellite signals indicating the missing airliner could have followed a track in that general direction.
The holiday islands are about halfway between Malaysia and the east coast of Africa.
It’s about 3200 kilometres from Malaysia - placing it at the extreme edge of how far flight MH370 could travel.
The newspaper reports residents of Kuda Huvadhoo as saying the unknown aircraft made an “incredibly loud noise” as it travelling south-east towards the southern end of the Maldive island chain, the island of Addu.
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If true, dangerously close to Diego Garcia military base.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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The estimated dimensions of the larger object are consistent with a maritime cargo container, known to wash overboard off ships due to some pretty spectacular storms in the southern Indian Ocean. The other could be the typical kind of flotsam and jetsam found floating in oceans all over the world. However, the objects could also be a wing or fuselage portion and a piece of the tail section. Weather has the area socked in, so it will likely be about 4:30 p.m. CDT (U.S.) Thursday before the air search can resume.
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From civil aviation thread, post 237, someone in Australia evidently closely connected with the search:
"I am unable to give sources or any other information, however I am looking at a hard copy of the satellite imagery which clearly shows the two pieces of debris.
The larger one at 24 metres is definitely a part of an aircraft wing, if it is the 777 we are looking for it would be from the engine pylon to the tip. The other part is harder to tell what it is.
The credible information is that it was found at the extreme fuel range of the aircraft off the West coast of Australia near Perth. The theory of a Helios type tragedy is now most likely but is still speculation...."
And I disagree that this makes a 'Helios type tragedy' most likely, there's still indications that this was deliberate.
"I am unable to give sources or any other information, however I am looking at a hard copy of the satellite imagery which clearly shows the two pieces of debris.
The larger one at 24 metres is definitely a part of an aircraft wing, if it is the 777 we are looking for it would be from the engine pylon to the tip. The other part is harder to tell what it is.
The credible information is that it was found at the extreme fuel range of the aircraft off the West coast of Australia near Perth. The theory of a Helios type tragedy is now most likely but is still speculation...."
And I disagree that this makes a 'Helios type tragedy' most likely, there's still indications that this was deliberate.
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thisnumbersdisconnected
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Look at the stuff that gets posted on this forum. Yet you're gonna accept the post of some unknown guy "in Australia evidently closely connected with the search" when all the official accounts say the planes that did manage to get to the site identified from the satellite photos couldn't find anything and had to bug out because of incoming weather before they could do a more thorough inspection? C'mon man! KRN, you know better than that!
I haven't swallowed anything hook, line, and sinker; the poster claims he's looking at a "hard copy of the satellite imagery", we'll see.
You like conspiracy theories (particularly those that feed the Islamaphobes and threaten Israel), I've got a very probable 'conspiracy theory' for you. The info that the U.S. gave to Australia that drastically reduced the area west of Perth for them to search was 'A RUSE' to keep from divulging the long range capabilities of Australia's super duper top secret over the horizon radar.
The fact that the Aussie PM announced to the world they have found debris on the ocean tells me they're fairly confident about this.
You like conspiracy theories (particularly those that feed the Islamaphobes and threaten Israel), I've got a very probable 'conspiracy theory' for you. The info that the U.S. gave to Australia that drastically reduced the area west of Perth for them to search was 'A RUSE' to keep from divulging the long range capabilities of Australia's super duper top secret over the horizon radar.
The fact that the Aussie PM announced to the world they have found debris on the ocean tells me they're fairly confident about this.
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thisnumbersdisconnected
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And he's sharing this on a public forum. Yeah, uh-huh ... right. When's the court-martial?[/quote]
No more so than you are anti-Semitic and an Islamic apologist. If that's fair, then so is your comment.
Entirely possible.
So was the Chinese revelation a week ago. We know how that panned out. Until P-3s or P-8Cs actually get eyes on the target, we don't know nuthin' and neither do the Aussies.
Well, he did begin by saying, "I am unable to give sources or any other information".....
Yo....too much speculation fellows...no hard evidence. Now can you tell me what happen ed to WTC 7?
Lol, where have I heard this theory before?
"As said before, my theory is that this is all a diversion concocted by the international community to buy time to resolve the real issue which may be a plane that is in Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan.
Also, this "cover story" about possible wreckage can make the actual perpetrators think that the "good guys" are sniffing down the wrong path and that their plan is working. It's a cat and mouse game.
I don't see two large pieces of plane floating for almost two weeks without being noticed or sinking altogether.
Something doesn't add up..."
Post 215.
"As said before, my theory is that this is all a diversion concocted by the international community to buy time to resolve the real issue which may be a plane that is in Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan.
Also, this "cover story" about possible wreckage can make the actual perpetrators think that the "good guys" are sniffing down the wrong path and that their plan is working. It's a cat and mouse game.
I don't see two large pieces of plane floating for almost two weeks without being noticed or sinking altogether.
Something doesn't add up..."
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thisnumbersdisconnected
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That's not going to CHA when someone finds out what he's posting ... if he's actually part of the search effort, which frankly I think is doubtful.
Yeah.
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Aviation experts were today trying to unravel the enduring mystery of flight MH370 after debris thought to belong to the missing plane was spotted in the Indian Ocean some 1,500miles south-west of Australia.
Air search teams called off the hunt at around 9pm Malaysian time (1pm GMT) after a ten-hour operation in treacherous conditions spanning an area the size of the English Channel failed to locate any wreckage.
Commercial pilot Robert Mark, who is editor of Aviation International News Safety magazine, said the site of the new search area off the coast of Perth in relation to the plane's last-known location reduced the likelihood that it was hijacked.
In the absence of any other evidence that suggested it may have deviated from its path in between those two points, he said it adds strength to the theory that an on-board emergency may have knocked out the crew, leaving it to fly on auto-pilot until running out of fuel.
What lends further weight to this idea is the fact the new search is being conducted in one of the remotest parts of the planet which offers few, if any, terror targets or landing areas.
Read More At: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584977/Australian-security-expert-says-MH370-reached-search-zone-without-deliberate-human-intervention.html
Related . . . http://www.businessinsider.com/australia-may-have-found-malaysia-plane-2014-3
Air search teams called off the hunt at around 9pm Malaysian time (1pm GMT) after a ten-hour operation in treacherous conditions spanning an area the size of the English Channel failed to locate any wreckage.
Commercial pilot Robert Mark, who is editor of Aviation International News Safety magazine, said the site of the new search area off the coast of Perth in relation to the plane's last-known location reduced the likelihood that it was hijacked.
In the absence of any other evidence that suggested it may have deviated from its path in between those two points, he said it adds strength to the theory that an on-board emergency may have knocked out the crew, leaving it to fly on auto-pilot until running out of fuel.
What lends further weight to this idea is the fact the new search is being conducted in one of the remotest parts of the planet which offers few, if any, terror targets or landing areas.
Read More At: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584977/Australian-security-expert-says-MH370-reached-search-zone-without-deliberate-human-intervention.html
Related . . . http://www.businessinsider.com/australia-may-have-found-malaysia-plane-2014-3
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Satellite Company Says It Predicted Missing Plane's Location 10 Days Ago
"A British satellite company said today that it had indications that the missing Malaysia Airlines plane may have crashed into the Indian Ocean as early as two days after the plane's disappearance.
The search for the jetliner did not move into the Indian Ocean until more than a week after the plane vanished in the middle of the night from Malaysian airspace on March 7.
"This is very troubling, just thinking of the time wasted and what was ever on the water moving farther away," said ABC News consultant Tom Haueter, a former National Transportation Safety Board investigator.
Inmarsat, the maker of satellites, told ABC News that they had an "initial idea" on March 9 and by March 10 were "fairly certain" that the search parties should look in the south Indian Ocean for the vanished plane.
Inmarsat shared their data with a partner company the following day, on March 11, and with Malaysian investigators on March 12. It was not until three days later, on March 15, that Malaysian authorities acknowledged that satellite data suggested the plane was not in the Strait of Malacca or the South China Sea and began redirecting search efforts to the Indian Ocean.
Asked whether the company was concerned Malaysia took so long to act on their information, Inmarsat spokesman Chris McLaughlin told the BBC that theirs was just one small piece of data in the Malaysian investigation.
"No, it's not our place to be concerned," McLaughlin said. "Our position was we shared data and an idea that could be tested against other data with the correct authorities on the Tuesday. We can't possibly know what other data was in the investigation or what routes the Malaysian government were following."..."
"A British satellite company said today that it had indications that the missing Malaysia Airlines plane may have crashed into the Indian Ocean as early as two days after the plane's disappearance.
The search for the jetliner did not move into the Indian Ocean until more than a week after the plane vanished in the middle of the night from Malaysian airspace on March 7.
"This is very troubling, just thinking of the time wasted and what was ever on the water moving farther away," said ABC News consultant Tom Haueter, a former National Transportation Safety Board investigator.
Inmarsat, the maker of satellites, told ABC News that they had an "initial idea" on March 9 and by March 10 were "fairly certain" that the search parties should look in the south Indian Ocean for the vanished plane.
Inmarsat shared their data with a partner company the following day, on March 11, and with Malaysian investigators on March 12. It was not until three days later, on March 15, that Malaysian authorities acknowledged that satellite data suggested the plane was not in the Strait of Malacca or the South China Sea and began redirecting search efforts to the Indian Ocean.
Asked whether the company was concerned Malaysia took so long to act on their information, Inmarsat spokesman Chris McLaughlin told the BBC that theirs was just one small piece of data in the Malaysian investigation.
"No, it's not our place to be concerned," McLaughlin said. "Our position was we shared data and an idea that could be tested against other data with the correct authorities on the Tuesday. We can't possibly know what other data was in the investigation or what routes the Malaysian government were following."..."
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