thisnumbersdisconnected
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Very true. As I said, until we find wreckage, or something else in the case of some other explanation, no one knows anything, really.
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Flight MH370 mystery gets deeper and weirder
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Man, I can't help but think James Bond/Spectre scenarios, complete with underground airstrips that have jungle-covered doors closing over them....
Not meaning to make light of this tragedy; but this makes more sense than that cockamamie CNN reporter talking about black holes. I'm surprised I haven't heard someone declare that area another Bermuda Triangle....
Not meaning to make light of this tragedy; but this makes more sense than that cockamamie CNN reporter talking about black holes. I'm surprised I haven't heard someone declare that area another Bermuda Triangle....
I really detest the idea of wrongly accusing some one, especially if in reality they should be commended for their actions in trying to avert a catastrophe:
Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane: Investigators Keep Focus on 'Deliberate Act'
"American investigators have settled on three primary theories to explain the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a senior U.S. official told ABC News tonight.
The leading theories are:
1. Pilot suicide or other human action;
2. Fire or catastrophic mechanical malfunction;
3. Terrorism.
With terrorism all but ruled out, however, investigators still are leaning toward the vanishing of the passenger jet with 269 travelers and crew aboard as "a deliberate act," the official said.
"That's pretty much what everyone thinks," the senior U.S. official, who receives frequent updates on the investigation, told ABC News....."
Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane: Investigators Keep Focus on 'Deliberate Act'
"American investigators have settled on three primary theories to explain the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a senior U.S. official told ABC News tonight.
The leading theories are:
1. Pilot suicide or other human action;
2. Fire or catastrophic mechanical malfunction;
3. Terrorism.
With terrorism all but ruled out, however, investigators still are leaning toward the vanishing of the passenger jet with 269 travelers and crew aboard as "a deliberate act," the official said.
"That's pretty much what everyone thinks," the senior U.S. official, who receives frequent updates on the investigation, told ABC News....."
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This is why some think this was deliberate and that the flight crew may be involved; the turn around back over the peninsula appears to be following some very precise navigational 'waypoints' which ultimately avoided flying over Indonesia also; after this it was lost from military radar:
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This is why some think this was deliberate and that the flight crew may be involved; the turn around back over the peninsula appears to be following some very precise navigational 'waypoints' which ultimately avoided flying over Indonesia also; after this it was lost from military radar:
Makes me a little anxious about boarding another flight.
No kidding! What blew my mind, as I understand it, was to find out that the pilots have the ability to depressurize the cabin and ultimately kill the passengers from hypoxia, at their fingertips!
I mean, I know our lives are already in their hands when we board the plane, we trust their aviation skills to land us safely at our destination, but, to know that at 35000 ft altitude they can depressurize the space and suffocate us adds another dimension to this train of thought. (I've been thinking about this lately)
Maybe in the future every plane comes complete with a strapped Marine...ordered to (you can fill in the rest)! Give the boys driving the bus something to think about.
Remember there are two in the cockpit so both would have to be complicate.
And I don't know if an air Marshall is really trained to take out the bus driver's. You would have to train himlike we do spy missions...if you get my point.
Has anyone checked the hangar down the street from Bin Laden's bungalow? Some folk think some terrorists are preparing for another 9-11.
Our perimeter seems to have a lot of sentries--sound asleep. This ain't funny--the enemy is already in the camp.
We may be chasing phantom dolphin pods off the coast of Australia.
Now what?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Our perimeter seems to have a lot of sentries--sound asleep. This ain't funny--the enemy is already in the camp.
We may be chasing phantom dolphin pods off the coast of Australia.
Now what?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Flight 370's altitude dropped after sharp turn
Excerpts:
"....authorities said the last transmission from the missing aircraft's reporting system showed it heading to Beijing -- a revelation that appears to undercut the theory that someone reprogrammed the plane's flight path before the co-pilot signed off with air-traffic controllers for the last time.
That reduces, but doesn't rule out, suspicions about foul play in the cockpit."
"Military radar tracking shows that the aircraft changed altitude after making a sharp turn over the South China Sea as it headed toward the Strait of Malacca, a source close to the investigation into the missing flight told CNN. The plane flew as low as 12,000 feet at some point before it disappeared from radar, according to the source."
"Analysts are divided about what the latest information could mean. Some argue it's a sign that mechanical failure sent the plane suddenly off course. Others say there are still too many unknowns to eliminate any possibilities."
"..."Now we have no evidence the crew did anything wrong," he said. "And in fact, now, we should be operating with the primary assumption being that something bad happened to that plane shortly after they said good night."
If a crisis on board caused the plane to lose pressure, he said, pilots could have chosen to deliberately fly lower to save passengers onboard.
"You want to get down to 10,000 feet, because that is when you don't have to worry about pressurization. You have enough air in the atmosphere naturally to keep everybody alive," he said. "So part of the procedure for a rapid decompression ... it's called a high dive, and you go as quickly as you can down that to that altitude."..."
IOW, it could have been desperate deliberate maneuvers to get air and make an emergency landing in response to a rapid cabin depressurization. Adds more credence to the 'accidental' theory'.
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"....authorities said the last transmission from the missing aircraft's reporting system showed it heading to Beijing -- a revelation that appears to undercut the theory that someone reprogrammed the plane's flight path before the co-pilot signed off with air-traffic controllers for the last time.
That reduces, but doesn't rule out, suspicions about foul play in the cockpit."
"Military radar tracking shows that the aircraft changed altitude after making a sharp turn over the South China Sea as it headed toward the Strait of Malacca, a source close to the investigation into the missing flight told CNN. The plane flew as low as 12,000 feet at some point before it disappeared from radar, according to the source."
"Analysts are divided about what the latest information could mean. Some argue it's a sign that mechanical failure sent the plane suddenly off course. Others say there are still too many unknowns to eliminate any possibilities."
"..."Now we have no evidence the crew did anything wrong," he said. "And in fact, now, we should be operating with the primary assumption being that something bad happened to that plane shortly after they said good night."
If a crisis on board caused the plane to lose pressure, he said, pilots could have chosen to deliberately fly lower to save passengers onboard.
"You want to get down to 10,000 feet, because that is when you don't have to worry about pressurization. You have enough air in the atmosphere naturally to keep everybody alive," he said. "So part of the procedure for a rapid decompression ... it's called a high dive, and you go as quickly as you can down that to that altitude."..."
IOW, it could have been desperate deliberate maneuvers to get air and make an emergency landing in response to a rapid cabin depressurization. Adds more credence to the 'accidental' theory'.
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thisnumbersdisconnected
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Old news, KRN. They released that info a day and a half after the disappearance. It dropped to 23,000, then climbed to 45,000 before leveling back to 37,500. It appeared the maneuvers were controlled, i.e., not the result of a fight for the flight yoke or anything like that.
Nothing has been confirmed, not the above, not what I just posted. The Malaysians appear to waffle and change and not be forthcoming on nearly every point. Frustrating.
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Hey d-CON, work that angle into your hijacking theory, the duplicity of the Malaysians themselves proves that they're 'in on it'.
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thisnumbersdisconnected
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You're sure right about that. I don't think the Malaysian government has a clue. The news programs are reporting this morning that the original photos of the two Iranians on the flight that they tried to link to a terrorism scenario were "doctored" or mishandled so that both of them appeared to have the same pair of legs. Malaysia came up with the lame excuse that they "photocopied" the pics -- photocopied a security video outtake? -- and apparently left one on top of the other in the copier, the second photo was smaller, so the other photo showed up in the copy and that's what they released to the media.
Huh?
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Seeing tweets now 'confirming' a crash into the Indian Ocean.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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Fox News sent out a mobile alert to a Malaysian news conference that was supposed to start at nine central time, said families were being called to the hotel in Kuala Lumpur.
I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut -- I promise you, I'm not. Normally, what I hear sounds reasonable enough to be to be the logical explanation. Not this time.
As I've been saying for days, this "debris" has had to have drifted into the search area days after the plane disappeared, meaning it came from much further west than the plane could have reached. Just Google "ocean currents Australia Antarctica" -- you will get maps that prove to you what I've been saying.
This "search area" is right on the northern edge of the Antarctic Circumpolar Current, which flows east, and it is west of where the West Australian current breaks off from the Antarctic current to flow northeast up the coast of Australia. Even if the current could move the debris only 20-30 miles a day (it moves much faster than that) there is no way this "debris" is from flight MH370. When the plane disappeared, it was too far west of this area, and over the week they've been searching, the debris would have moved further east, not stayed in the same general area they've been looking. Something here smells to high heaven.
So obviously, the question is, what is it? I haven't the foggiest idea.
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From twitter.com:
"...a summary of the latest grim updates from Malaysia:
• Malaysia's prime minister has announced that new satellite data showed that flight MH370 crashed into the Indian Ocean. In a brief statement Najib Razak said: "It is with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that... flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."
• Malaysia Airlines announced that it was "beyond reasonable" doubt that the plane was lost with no survivors. "We must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the Southern Indian Ocean," it said in a statement.
• The new certainty about the plane's fate was confirmed in analysis by British aerospace experts based on satellite data. They found that the plane's last position was in a remote location in the middle of the Indian Ocean far from any landing strips.
• Families of the missing passengers were briefed about the new analysis minutes before the world's media. Police and paramedics were on hand to help grieving relatives at a hotel in Beijing.
• Australia's prime minister Tony Abbott has confirmed that the Australian ship HMAS Success is trying to recover two new objects spotted by a search plane. In a statement to Parliament he cautioned that the objects may turn out to be unrelated to the missing Malaysian Airlines plane.
Updated 18m ago"
"...a summary of the latest grim updates from Malaysia:
• Malaysia's prime minister has announced that new satellite data showed that flight MH370 crashed into the Indian Ocean. In a brief statement Najib Razak said: "It is with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that... flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."
• Malaysia Airlines announced that it was "beyond reasonable" doubt that the plane was lost with no survivors. "We must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the Southern Indian Ocean," it said in a statement.
• The new certainty about the plane's fate was confirmed in analysis by British aerospace experts based on satellite data. They found that the plane's last position was in a remote location in the middle of the Indian Ocean far from any landing strips.
• Families of the missing passengers were briefed about the new analysis minutes before the world's media. Police and paramedics were on hand to help grieving relatives at a hotel in Beijing.
• Australia's prime minister Tony Abbott has confirmed that the Australian ship HMAS Success is trying to recover two new objects spotted by a search plane. In a statement to Parliament he cautioned that the objects may turn out to be unrelated to the missing Malaysian Airlines plane.
Updated 18m ago"
Are you still insisting that this search of the southern Indian Ocean is all just a big 'ruse' to fool the jihadists who stole the plane into thinking that we've been fooled?
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thisnumbersdisconnected
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I have no idea, KRN, I really don't. More likely, Malaysia feels like they've mishandled this from a PR standpoint and just wants it to be over, so they came up with "satellite data" that wasn't previously available. Being Asian, they've "lost face" simply by not having any answers. They have no debris, no oil slick, no "ping" from either black box, just ethereal "satellite data" they pulled out of the air to get it over with.
And beating a dead horse, this "debris" can't possibly be from the plane. It came form outside the search area days after the plane disappeared. Any idiot with an ocean current map could tell you that -- after all, one did (me). :laugh:
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