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Flower Power

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by Aaron, Jul 28, 2007.

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  1. tenor

    tenor New Member

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    Actually, I have used this song/hymn is worship on numerous occasions.

    It was written in 1931 as a "hymn of thanksgiving for each new day to fit the unusual meter of the Gaelic tune to which it is set." (page 190 Handbook to the Baptist Hymnal (1992).

    I've even used Cat Steven's piano accompaniment when singing it as a solo. Great piece!

    It's great to see a God-honoring song out there, even though it's being used for secular purposes.
     
    #21 tenor, Aug 1, 2007
  2. Aaron

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    My first question was, have you seen the add? If not then you may excuse yourself from the discussion.
     
    #22 Aaron, Aug 4, 2007
  3. Aaron

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    God is the judge, and He supplied us the criteria. True worshippers worship God in truth and in spirit, and it bears no resemblance to carnal forms of worship.
     
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  4. Aaron

    Aaron Member
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    This is a good example of why pop idioms are not appropriate for preaching the Gospel.
     
    #24 Aaron, Aug 4, 2007
  5. tinytim

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    Yeah, you want me to excuse myself because all I have asked is
    What is the connection between the ad, and Christian music?

    OH, and I have repeatedly asked you to relay to us the things that were said... but again, you want to hide in the shadows of suspicion and condemn your brothers and sisters who worship God through modern music.

    So.....

    Tell us, how did the flower power ad support CCM?

    IOWS, what did it say?
     
    #25 tinytim, Aug 4, 2007
  6. tinytim

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    Yep, it is also the danger of teaching teens that Stephen got stoned!

    Some may ask, "I wonder what he smoked?"
     
    #26 tinytim, Aug 4, 2007
  7. annsni

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    I'm not sure what the commercial shows but I'll take a stab at it:

    They're raising hands, dancing and such?? And you're saying that because they do this that doing it in worship is "carnal"? (If I'm wrong, say so - but I'm guessing from inference that this is what it is.) Boy, those who do that had better read the Scriptures and find out the TRUE forms of worship!! Ummmm - oh right - raising hands, dancing, and such........
     
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  8. Dale McNamee

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    Dear Ann,

    I saw the "Flower Power" ad on TV recently and there's no link between it and the P&W music CD sold by the same company, Time-Life.

    Growing up during the '60's,'70's,and '80's, I liked some of the music put out during those decades and I never did drugs. So Aaron can't use that to justify himself. :laugh:

    You see, Aaron has a problem with contemporary music (sacred & secular) and wants to project his "problem" onto the rest of us by sounding rather authoritarian and dogmatic in his opinions (the operative word is: "opinions") and using Scripture to "proof text" them.

    The Scriptures that he quotes have nothing to do with music styles. If you follow his argument far enough, then the hymns and other sacred music written over the last 1900+ years should be as equally condemned as Contemporary Worship Music is !

    Does he know what the music of the NT sounded like ? And what of believers in other countries and cultures ? Is their worship condemned by God because their music doesn't pass Aaron's muster ?

    You wrote : " They're raising hands, dancing and such?? And you're saying that because they do this that doing it in worship is "carnal"? (If I'm wrong, say so - but I'm guessing from inference that this is what it is.) Boy, those who do that had better read the Scriptures and find out the TRUE forms of worship!! Ummmm - oh right - raising hands, dancing, and such........ " and you are quite right, especially when it comes to reading what the Scripture has to say on the subject !

    In Christ,

    Dale
     
    #28 Dale McNamee, Aug 4, 2007
  9. tinytim

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    Thank you dale for shedding light in a dark place...

    It amazes me how some distort truth to prove their point.

    So... Just as I suspicioned, there is nothing linking Flower Power to CCM...

    Hmm...

    Aaron, you need to apologize for slander.
     
    #29 tinytim, Aug 4, 2007
  10. Dale McNamee

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    Dear Tim,

    Thanks for the compliment !:)

    It's really important that comments like his be countered everytime they arise for the lies that they are.

    "Guilt by association" is not a valid basis for making a judgement, nor is twisting Scripture to fit one's opinion ! Twisting Scripture is the greater evil ! :mad:

    Also, just because someone might enjoy a particular style of music does not make that style of music intrinsically evil, even if you don't agree with their lifestyle.

    Tim, you asked Aaron to apologize for his slander of CCM, he won't. I believe that 1 Timothy 6:4-5 describes him perfectly.

    In Christ,

    Dale
     
    #30 Dale McNamee, Aug 4, 2007
  11. tinytim

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    Here is a CD of hymns sold by Time-life...
    http://www.timelife.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=572

    They must be corrupt too.
    Because Time Life sells Flower Power...

    Hippies used to sing these in the 60s.. and 70s.
    I remember some in our church growing up..
    Singing away to Just as I am...

    Guess that song is perverted now...

    BTW, Aaron... Name some songs that you deem worthy.
    I would probably like them too.
     
    #31 tinytim, Aug 4, 2007
  12. Aaron

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    More accurately, arms lifted, heads back, eyes lidded and swaying.

    No, I'm saying that this is merely the natural responses to the music being played. There's nothing spiritual about it. So it is in the churches. What is in reality a carnal response to the music is being confused with spirituality. Anyone can get the feelin', saved or not.

    Okay. "So."

    Amen!
     
    #32 Aaron, Aug 6, 2007
  13. Aaron

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    Dale, Dale, Dale. Don't you get tired of being so...well...wrong?
     
    #33 Aaron, Aug 6, 2007
  14. Aaron

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    I never linked Flower Power to CCM. You did that in your own little head. I just said the responses of the hippies to the music in Flower Power was just like what folks are calling worship these days. Carnal.
     
    #34 Aaron, Aug 6, 2007
  15. tinytim

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    Do you not know how to read... Here is what you said in the OP...

    I kindly bolded your words so you can see this and not deny that you linked the two....

    Besides that you are always putting down and belittling those of us that worship differently than you...

    You owe us an apology for insinuting this....
    This thread should never have been started by you, because it is a dishonest attempt to belittle your brothers and sisters...

    You owe us an apology.
     
    #35 tinytim, Aug 6, 2007
  16. rbell

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    Aaron, Aaron, Aaron...don't you get tired of being so...well...pharasaical?
     
    #36 rbell, Aug 6, 2007
  17. Dale McNamee

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    Dear Rbell,

    Thanks for the excellent post ! :thumbs: :applause:

    Aaron should remember that none of the Pharasees,except for Nicodemus,are in heaven. They who judged others are awaiting the most fearsome judge of all: Jesus Christ!

    In Christ,

    Dale
     
    #37 Dale McNamee, Aug 6, 2007
  18. Dale McNamee

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    Dear Tim,

    You wrote: "
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    Originally Posted by Aaron
    I never linked Flower Power to CCM. You did that in your own little head. I just said the responses of the hippies to the music in Flower Power was just like what folks are calling worship these days. Carnal.



    Do you not know how to read... Here is what you said in the OP...

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aaron

    Seen the new Time/Life music offer? Seen the responses of the hippies and yippies to the music? This is the substance of contemporary worship. there's nothing spiritual about it.


    I kindly bolded your words so you can see this and not deny that you linked the two....

    Besides that you are always putting down and belittling those of us that worship differently than you...

    You owe us an apology for insinuting this....
    This thread should never have been started by you, because it is a dishonest attempt to belittle your brothers and sisters...

    You owe us an apology."

    Excellent response ! But, I wouldn't bet on getting an apology from him, his arrogant self-righteousness forbids it.

    In Christ,

    Dale
     
    #38 Dale McNamee, Aug 6, 2007
  19. D28guy

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    Aaron,

    Annsni said...


    And you said...


    YOU...HAVE...GOT...TO...BE...KIDDING.

    I'm almost speechless. Seriously, words fail me. These things are...found...in...the...scriptures...Aaron!!!!

    You actually believe its evil, and un-scriptural, to be be touched by God during worship times, through good worship music, and respond by maybe crying, closing our eyes, raising our hands, etc etc etc.????

    This simply stuns the mind.

    Mike
     
    #39 D28guy, Aug 7, 2007
  20. annsni

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    It's interesting that physical responses are determined to be wrong. I really feel (and have heard others speak of this) that we were CREATED to worship and each and every one of us will worship something at some point in time. When you see the hippies respond to the songs/music, that is worship. When you see a group of teens at a concert of (fill in the blank - I have no clue who's popular right now - my own teens are into worship music), they have their hands raised. How about my good old Yankees - get a home run and fans have their hands raised. It's a sign of joy - of abandonment - of celebration. We do this naturally - even babies do it at a young age. So - is it wrong to do what we were created to do for the Creator rather than the created? Just because people wrongly focus their worship doesn't mean that true Godly worship should necessarily be a different "style" - it's what we do naturally. When I worship with song - when I pray - when I worship and praise God - I will raise my hands and close my eyes - and even whisper words of praise and thanksgiving to Him. I've seen witches close their eyes and hold each other's hands when chanting - does that mean that we are to pray with eyes open and hands to ourselves??? Again, just because others have taken what God created us for and used it for evil doesn't mean that ALL of it is evil.
     
    #40 annsni, Aug 7, 2007
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