Flying and federal laws

[Two Wings]

I didn't obey Trump,

ditto.

what is an apparent challenge for Jon's understanding is that those who are "political" about this are the followers of Biden/Harris ... a year ago they were wailing on the cv vax. Now if you don't get it, you're an enemy of the state ... his patience has worn thin, afterall.

this has been by design.

 

[Reynolds]

Or is it the requirement of the business owner?

Joe required the business owner to require it. Word games. Mere word games. Marching to Joe's drum.

 

[Salty]

Joe required the business owner to require it. Word games. Mere word games. Marching to Joe's drum.

Some he does (and that is in court right now) Others is solely the choice of the business owner.

 

[KenH]

this has been by design

The United States would be so much better off if the Progressives(some call them Marxists) and the Trumpists(some call them Fascists) would just shut up. They've been yapping at each other for the past six years. Their argumentation is getting old, repetitive, boring, and reaching a state of putrefaction.

 

[Reformed1689]

Most of us who are conservatives did not get vaccinated because Trump told us we needed a vaccination. Most liberals did not get vaccinated because Biden told them to.

Let's be honest, the way you go about Covid you don't get to call yourself conservative anymore.

 

[Reformed1689]

You believe covid is a non-lethal virus. Those I knew who died of covid would disagree.

No disrespect to those who died but you are telling me the ones you know who died did not have co-morbidities or were not extremely old?

 

[Reformed1689]

That you gravitate to viewing these decisions as caving in or fear speaks to how you view the issue. You are projecting your fears and political enslavement onto others.

Because, sir, you want to push the vaccine on everyone else. You are trying to force it and think it should be forced.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

...
Maritime rules in aviation, too. My advice is to abstain from poking the bear on the airplane. Do/say whatever you want on the jetbridge, in the terminal, parking garage, whatever. When you step foot on that airplane, behave.

Be careful here. Known undesirable behavior/statement can get you barred from a flight or even from flying. Just behave wherever you are.

 

[JonC]

Substitute UNVACCINATED for VACCINATED above and I agree with your acessement.

I can't. Reynolds is not demonizing the unvaccinated. He is demonizing the vaccinated. He is not fighting to strip away rights from the unvaccinated but from business owners.

Now, I am not suggesting the issue is absent the other way around. But it does not apply to Reynolds.

Regarding freedoms we do have to be honest about the issue. I agree the DNC wants to remove freedoms, but this is not a vaccination issue (they are socialistic and were before the pandemic).

What the anti-covid-vaxers talk about being rights are not actual rights. People do not actually have a right to employment. But employers do (so far) have the right to require vaccinations as a condition of employment. Businesses have the right to deny service as long as it is not violating the law. Vaccination status has never been protected under HIPAA. The anti-covid-vaxers are trying to change all of this.

There are consequences to our decisions. The vaccinated accept risks associated with the shot. The anti-covid-vaxers, however, want to hide their heads in the sand and pretend the virus is not real or is not deadly or foes not cause serious damage. So they want no consequences associated with their decisions. They want everybody, regardless of vaccination status, to bow to their understanding of the virus. It just is not going to happen.

 

[JonC]

I didn't obey Trump, but you are obeying Joe.
You obeyed Joe and got Jabbed so you could quit wearing a mask at work.
Now you obeying Joe and wearing the mask again.

You seem confused.

I do obey our government insofar as it is Christian.

But I do not wear a mask because I do not see a need of it except at work. I do at work (for now) because it us required (indoors).

This is called following the rules of employment. And it is a Christian trait. I probably could get away with skipping the mask at times, but that would be dishonest. Work as unto God.

As far as Biden goes, either you are clueless or simply thought that would be sort of an insult. That was a very foolish comment.

 

[JonC]

ditto.

what is an apparent challenge for Jon's understanding is that those who are "political" about this are the followers of Biden/Harris ... a year ago they were wailing on the cv vax. Now if you don't get it, you're an enemy of the state ... his patience has worn thin, afterall.

this has been by design.

Not really.

The anti-covid-vaxers want to insult those who were vaccinated by saying it was caving in or in obedience to Biden (nevermind the fact Trump called for everybody to be vaccinated).

Politics has nothing to do with my deciding to be vaccinated. I doubt politics played a part in most people's decision to be vaccinated.

I looked at the vaccine and virus, weighed benefits and risks and decided to be vaccinated. Others did the sane and decided to reject the vaccine.

Most people would follow neither Trump or Biden when it comes to their health care. For one thing, Trump is not the most healthy. Biden is probably for his age, but he is no medical specialist.

The DNC made the virus and vaccine political. Anti-covid-vaxers just follow their lead.

 

[Two Wings]

Be careful here. Known undesirable behavior/statement can get you barred from a flight or even from flying. Just behave wherever you are.

there's a difference in misbehavior in the terminal and misbehavior aboard the jet. Just as there's a difference between murdering an LEO/District Attny and one who isn't that.

I used a bit of hyperbole in an attempt to illustrate. Absolutely ... behave always ... but the place to balk about wearing the mask isn't on the airplane. The place to exercise your 1A right isn't on the airplane.

 

[Two Wings]

The DNC made the virus and vaccine political. Anti-covid-vaxers just follow their lead.

I won't speak for others who have rejected the CV vax ... and for the record, if you could put CV or something denoting/discerning you understand the difference in being an "anti-vaxer" and one who rejects THIS mRNA product you'd have more credibility. I'm about to start the shingles vax twofer series. I'm not anti-vax. I vaccinate my cattle twice/year. If I have to be labeled "anti-something" it's anti CV vax.

And I'm vehemently anti CV vax mandate.

You have repeatedly pushed the narrative of the CDC/WHO ... who still can't "make up their mind" except that proliferating the cv vax is the only way to defeat this thing. It's not. Not for 100% eradication and not for the VAAAAST majority of the population's individual exposure/contraction.

BTW ... smallpox was eradicated where the vaccine was used, too. Sterilized immunity. To the extent we (in the US) haven't required that vaccine in over 50 years. So ... again, I'm not "anti-vax." I'm anti THIS vax because of how it was manifested.

 

[Two Wings]

The anti-covid-vaxers, however, want to hide their heads in the sand and pretend the virus is not real or is not deadly or foes not cause serious damage.

ah ha ... one example of clarity in identification ...

but then a broad brush on what anti-cv vaxers "want to do" (sic).

Has the untreated recovery rate slipped below 99% yet? How many in the deceased/serious damage (sic) are not 70 plus or with multiple significant health problems? That doesn't mean "write 'em off" but it DOES mean this virus isn't the small pox. It's not deadly to everyone ...

Mandating this injection is simply wrong. imposing undue hardship in accommodation is wrong.

 

[Two Wings]

The United States would be so much better off if the Progressives(some call them Marxists) and the Trumpists(some call them Fascists) would just shut up. They've been yapping at each other for the past six years. Their argumentation is getting old, repetitive, boring, and reaching a state of putrefaction.

Interesting you think/advance this notion of Trump supporters being fascists. Why?

Democracy is messy. what has changed in the last 25/so years in the increased departure from reason of those who are "lefties" (and I don't refer to the dominant of an eye or hand). What has changed is the time. It is time.

Removal of the restrainer (2 Thess 2) has been underway now, and one result is the inability to hold a rational & respectful conversation with another adult ... in FAR too many examples.

 

[Reynolds]

You seem confused.

I do obey our government insofar as it is Christian.

But I do not wear a mask because I do not see a need of it except at work. I do at work (for now) because it us required (indoors).

This is called following the rules of employment. And it is a Christian trait. I probably could get away with skipping the mask at times, but that would be dishonest. Work as unto God.

As far as Biden goes, either you are clueless or simply thought that would be sort of an insult. That was a very foolish comment.

You are confused. You advocate tyrany and try to convince everyone that it is liberty.

 

[JonC]

I won't speak for others who have rejected the CV vax ... and for the record, if you could put CV or something denoting/discerning you understand the difference in being an "anti-vaxer" and one who rejects THIS mRNA product you'd have more credibility. I'm about to start the shingles vax twofer series. I'm not anti-vax. I vaccinate my cattle twice/year. If I have to be labeled "anti-something" it's anti CV vax.

And I'm vehemently anti CV vax mandate.

You have repeatedly pushed the narrative of the CDC/WHO ... who still can't "make up their mind" except that proliferating the cv vax is the only way to defeat this thing. It's not. Not for 100% eradication and not for the VAAAAST majority of the population's individual exposure/contraction.

BTW ... smallpox was eradicated where the vaccine was used, too. Sterilized immunity. To the extent we (in the US) haven't required that vaccine in over 50 years. So ... again, I'm not "anti-vax." I'm anti THIS vax because of how it was manifested.

By "anti-covid-vaxers" I mean those who are opposed to the vaccinations (like those who prevented people who wanted vaccinations from getting them in Atlanta). I do not mean simply declining vaccinations.

I am also against forcing people to get vaccinated.

But historically businesses themselves had the right to require vaccines as a condition of employment (most often with the influenza vaccine). I do not find it reasonable to strip this freedom from employers just because some reject the science behind a couple of vaccines.

When we start removing rights to deal with a situation we open up a can of worms for the future.

 

[Wingman68]

During WW II many items were rationed -ie Gas, rubber, some foods, ect.
When the war was over - the rationing ended.
Lets trust the same will happen when the Chinesee Virus is no longer a major threat.

But going back to masks- provisions must be made for those who do have medical issues.

No pandemic has lasted more than two years. I wouldn’t take any bets that this one will be the same. I don’t think the plandemic is near completion yet. It will require further collapse to achieve their goals, one being digital currency not controlled by your local credit union. Control is the end game.

 

[Two Wings]

By "anti-covid-vaxers" I mean those who are opposed to the vaccinations (like those who prevented people who wanted vaccinations from getting them in Atlanta). I do not mean simply declining vaccinations.

I am also against forcing people to get vaccinated.

But historically businesses themselves had the right to require vaccines as a condition of employment (most often with the influenza vaccine). I do not find it reasonable to strip this freedom from employers just because some reject the science behind a couple of vaccines.

When we start removing rights to deal with a situation we open up a can of worms for the future.

I asked this question before ... If there was a response, I missed it.

when a mandate of such is in place, particularly after staff were hired BEFORE (in some cases WELL before), why shouldn't the entity requiring the mandate be responsible for their decision?

I used the competing right of a private property owner to prohibit the presence of firearms ... to a citizens right to keep and bear arms. It is reasonable the property owner making that decision should therefore be liable for the security of those who properly access the property.

So ... if the government is going to mandate this cv jab ... or a private business is going to mandate this cv jab ... they must be liable for that decision. It is a change to the status quo (big legal deal to be in business).

And this is before we even wade back into the waters of the real dangers of this cv vax as evidenced by the government's own data system.

Do you think a private business should be liable for adverse reactions to a mandate requiring the cv jab? If not, why not?

 

[KenH]

Interesting you think/advance this notion of Trump supporters being fascists. Why?

Check out Twitter sometime. It is even more of a political cesspool than the Current Events and Political Debate forums here on BaptistBoard.