Food stamp recipients panic as federal EBT system crashes;

[Revmitchell]

Pushing for government to be the answer to poverty or the needs of the people is socialism.

 

[Zaac]

Pushing for government to be the answer to poverty or the needs of the people is socialism.

I wonder what several folks on this board are pushing as the answer because it certainly ain't Jesus?

 

[poncho]

God looks on the heart. Pharisees look for legalistic excuses.

Do you see any scripture supporting democracy?

Do you see any scripture supporting mental hospitals?

Do you see any scripture supporting hospitals?

Do you see any scripture supporting inoculations?

Do you see any scripture supporting a tax deduction for contributions to charity?

Do you see any scripture supporting tax deductions for capital losses?

Such a legalistic list could go on forever and forever.

The Rev was right you're trying to redirect.

Those who use the law to confiscate the property of some to give to others shouldn't be accusing those who don't believe in it of being "legalistic".

You know what they say about people that live in glass houses right?

 

[poncho]

Who's a socialist? I'm a Christian who supports helping the poor. That desire comes from my faith. I would rather spend my tax money that way instead of on worthless wars of aggression like Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Perhaps you'd rather bring back debtor's prisons or simply let them die in the streets. You have your beliefs and I have mine.

If you believe in using govt force to confiscate the property of individuals for the greater good, then you are a socialist.

Perhaps I'd like to see individuals be free to give from their heart instead of having to fear a visit from a govt thug that specializes in extortion to make sure they pay up. Wars of aggression aren't worthless, on the contrary they are quite profitable, for a select few.

What do you suppose socialists will do when they run out of capitalists to steal from to help the poor, will they steal from each other to help the poor?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

See my next post

 

[Crabtownboy]

The Rev was right you're trying to redirect.

Those who use the law to confiscate the property of some to give to others shouldn't be accusing those who don't believe in it of being "legalistic".

You know what they say about people that live in glass houses right?

Whoa! Your post is totally off the topic. Talk about a redirect. :laugh:

All I was doing was pointing out that those who oppose helping the hungry, either through direct help or food stamps are treading on very thin ice IMHO.

We know how Christ viewed the legalistic approach of the Pharisees ... so we know how he will view Christian legalistic Pharisees.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

An answer that any good Pharisee in Jesus' time would be proud of. Very legalistic justification of unconcern for those in need.

Whoa! Your post is totally off the topic. Talk about a redirect. :laugh:

All I was doing was pointing out that those who oppose helping the hungry, either through direct help or food stamps are treading on very thin ice IMHO.

We know how Christ viewed the legalistic approach of the Pharisees ... so we know how he will view Christian legalistic Pharisees.

These posts proves you don't read the Word with understanding. It also proves you are a disciple of Saul Alinsky. One cannot serve Christ and Alinsky, or any other earthly idol.

The verse you quoted is Matthew 25:35. It is a "future quote" of Jesus, by Jesus. He is telling His disciples -- not the Pharisees or anyone else -- what will be said to the post-Rapture saints at the time of the judgment after His victorious return. It is said to those saints who will have risked life itself to minister to others, including those Christians in prison awaiting execution who will have refused to bow down and worship the antichrist.

Is it for us? Certainly. There is no better example of living the faith to be found in the New Testament, given the circumstances under which those believers will exist but nonetheless refuse to worship the world. But "us" is not the government. "Us" is us, the church, corporately and individually. We are to surrender ourselves completely in this manner to Christ, giving over every aspect of our lives to Him, even to the point of defying whatever corrupt government is or may be in existence, for the cause of the gospel.

 

[Crabtownboy]

This proves you don't read the Word with understanding. It also proves you are a disciple of Saul Alinsky.

Never heard of Saul Alinsky ... who is he? The name sounds Slavic.

The verse you quoted is Matthew 25:35. It is a "future quote" of Jesus, by Jesus. He is telling His disciples -- not the Pharisees or anyone else -- what will be said to the post-Rapture saints at the time of the judgment after His victorious return. It is said to those saints who will have risked life itself to minister to others, including those Christians in prison awaiting execution who will have refused to bow down and worship the antichrist.

The final judgment includes everyone.

Is it for us? Certainly. But "us" is not the government. "Us" is us, the church, corporately and individually. We are to surrender ourselves completely in this manner to Christ, giving over every aspect of our lives to Him, even to the point of defying whatever corrupt government is or may be in existence, for the cause of the gospel.

I thought Americans were proud of saying in our democracy the people are the government.

Anyway, trying to split that hair is simply a legalistic approach to avoiding helping those in need.

"Us" is to give time and tithe to the service of the Lord, not service of the government. The government has no right to more than the Lord, and traditionally if not from command, God has the right to expect a tenth of all of it. Which is pretty generous, when you consider He owns all of it anyway.

So no one working for the government has a ministry within the government? Interesting but a very non-Baptist thought.

If churches did they job of helping those in need there would be no need for the government to have to establish such programs. But churches are not doing their job in helping and thus the government has established programs.

It is rather sad when a government has more concern for people in need than that of most churches. I don't think a whining, "We opposed helping people through the government," is going to cut much ice with God.

 

[Revmitchell]

These posts proves you don't read the Word with understanding. It also proves you are a disciple of Saul Alinsky. One cannot serve Christ and Alinsky, or any other earthly idol.

He is like Zaac and FTW they all post out of pure emotion. But that is liberalism anyway. In the end they support an abortionist President who went to bed while Americans were being slaughtered in Benghazi as well and no amount of crying pharisee will cover that up.

 

[preacher4truth]

EBT failure is intended.

Sounds like a socialist tactic, put the people in a position of need, take away that supplied need, and they will give up rights and other things in order to get it back, will see the good working conservative people in this nation as the enemy, and will allow government to take more control in order to, in this case, eat.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

EBT failure is intended.

Sounds like a socialist tactic, put the people in a position of need, take away that supplied need, and they will give up rights and other things in order to get it back, will see the good working conservative people in this nation as the enemy, and will allow government to take more control in order to, in this case, eat.

Saul Alinsky's playbook as revised and upgraded by the Great Pretender.

 

[Crabtownboy]

He is like Zaac and FTW they all post out of pure emotion. But that is liberalism anyway. In the end they support an abortionist President who went to bed while Americans were being slaughtered in Benghazi as well and no amount of crying pharisee will cover that up.

Actually I post out of the teachings and words of Christ. I do not post out of the beliefs of the Republican Party or the Tea Party.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Actually I post out of the teachings and words of Christ.

If you actually did, your posts wouldn't come off reading like Karl Marx.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If you actually did, your posts wouldn't come off reading like Karl Marx.

If you believe Christ sounds like Karl Marx, either you have never read Christ's teaching and words or have not read Marx.

Try reading Christ's teachings about how we are to treat people and then come back with a rational answer. Thanks in advance.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

:laugh:

Do you hold yourself up as an example of a rational poster, C.T.Boy ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Actually I post out of the teachings and words of Christ.....

When did Jesus say death is just another door ? When did Jesus say all you need is a good library ?

You sure threw a lot of poop on the floor with that claim.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

If you believe Christ sounds like Karl Marx ...

I don't believe Christ sounds like Karl Marx. I believe you sound like Karl Marx, not Christ.

 

[poncho]

The difference between Karl Marx and Crabby is that Marx understood socialism is a system of control to transfer the wealth of a nation to the ruling class by playing on the common man's guilt.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I don't believe Christ sounds like Karl Marx. I believe you sound like Karl Marx, not Christ.

Obviously you have not read Marx and do not understand Marx.

And if you do not believe we are to help those in need, well ............. must hold the English idiom "pass by on the other side" as part of your personal beliefs and philosophy of your life. Yes, I know the idiom comes from the Bible ... but it has been turned into an idiom. Look it up.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/pass+by+on+the+other+side

 

[Bro. Curtis]

And if you do not believe we are to help those in need, well ............. must hold the English idiom "pass by on the other side" as part of your personal beliefs and philosophy of your life. Yes, I know the idiom comes from the Bible ... but it has been turned into an idiom. Look it up.

Red Herring. Look it up. You have no way of knowing this, and it is a chicken's way out of a discussion.