Food stamp recipients panic as federal EBT system crashes;

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Obviously you have not read Marx and do not understand Marx.

I understand Marx perfectly. I chose to read him to understand my enemy.

Why do you read and quote him, while claiming to quote Scripture?

And if you do not believe we are to help those in need, well ............. must hold the English idiom "pass by on the other side" as part of your personal beliefs and philosophy of your life. Yes, I know the idiom comes from the Bible ... but it has been turned into an idiom. Look it up.

You have stated "If you do not believe we are to help those in need" as though I said it, knowing full well I did not. This is disingenuous, a lie told to sidetrack the discussion and make it appear as you are defending something that was not even challenged.

I do, for the record, believe we are to help those in need, but not with government funds. It is the ministry of the church, and the church can do it much more efficiently and cost-effectively than the government, without the bureaucracy. A study was done some years ago at the University of Missouri which showed that if every church in the U.S. would adopt two families, the need for federal spending on unemployment insurance, food stamps, Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare, etc., would disappear. The church has not responded. But long after the government has collapsed, or morphed into something evil and destructive -- oh, wait, that's already happened -- the church will still be there, and the necessity for it to take up that call will be answered.

 

[poncho]

Obviously you have not read Marx and do not understand Marx.

And if you do not believe we are to help those in need, well ............. must hold the English idiom "pass by on the other side" as part of your personal beliefs and philosophy of your life. Yes, I know the idiom comes from the Bible ... but it has been turned into an idiom. Look it up.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/pass+by+on+the+other+side

We all believe in helping the poor. But some of us would prefer to do it out of kindness rather than being forced at gun point. That is not charity it's theft. Constantly playing the guilt trip on people is the way of the Pharisee not Christ.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Stigma associated with the SNAP (food stamp) program has led to several common misconceptions about how the program works and who receives the benefits. For instance, many Americans believe that the majority of SNAP benefits go towards people who could be working. In fact, more than half of SNAP recipients are children or the elderly. For the remaining working-age individuals, many of them are currently employed. At least forty percent of all SNAP beneficiaries live in a household with earnings. At the same time, the majority of SNAP households do not receive cash welfare benefits (around 10% receive cash welfare), with increasing numbers of SNAP beneficiaries obtaining their primary source of income from employment.

Please source this. Those are not your words.

 

[Crabtownboy]

We all believe in helping the poor. But some of us would prefer to do it out of kindness rather than being forced at gun point. That is not charity it's theft. Constantly playing the guilt trip on people is the way of the Pharisee not Christ.

I believe in both. We can do more together then separately.

While I believe that many Americans are very generous, I do believe there are many Americans who are very pernicious. It is the pernicious ones who scream loudest to their senators and congressmen. It also those who do not volunteer their time in agencies, like free clinics, helping others. I have volunteered quite a bit of my time in such places and I have yet to meet another volunteer who believes as you state your belief.

We personally should help those who come into our lives. We should help others in need through the efforts of charities and government.

Is it not stealing for the government to force me to pay taxes so people in other lands, innocent people, can be killed?

I sincerely believe one huge problem in our country is that most Americans are too young to have ever lived through really bad times and, thus, really do not understand or sympathize with those in need.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I believe in both. We can do more together then separately.

While I believe that many Americans are very generous, I do believe there are many Americans who are very pernicious. It is the pernicious ones who scream loudest to their senators and congressmen. It also those who do not volunteer their time in agencies, like free clinics, helping others. I have volunteered quite a bit of my time in such places and I have yet to meet another volunteer who believes as you state your belief.

We personally should help those who come into our lives. We should help others in need through the efforts of charities and government.

Is it not stealing for the government to force me to pay taxes so people in other lands, innocent people, can be killed?

Brag, brag, brag. You are a conceited, judgmental man. And not a very credible one.

Second, why don't you ask Team Zero to end the wars ?

Third, prove government is more efficient than charity.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

There is nothing charitable, honorable, or morally superior in demanding others give more.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I believe in both. We can do more together then separately.

Actually, as I pointed out here ...

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=89358&posted=1#post2040711

... the church can do more by itself.

 

[poncho]

I believe in both. We can do more together then separately.

And yet you support a man and his political party that do everything they can to divide us into bickering groups.

While I believe that many Americans are very generous, I do believe there are many Americans who are very pernicious.

As do I.

It is the pernicious ones who scream loudest to their senators and congressmen.

I'd like to see some numbers to back this statement up.

It also those who do not volunteer their time in agencies, like free clinics, helping others. I have volunteered quite a bit of my time in such places and I have yet to meet another volunteer who believes as you state your belief.

I'm not surprised seeing as how our schools, universities and mass media have been turned into collectivist indoctrination centers.

We personally should help those who come into our lives. We should help others in need through the efforts of charities and government.

I'm all for helping those in need. So is everyone else here. Local charities are fine. People can give what they want when they want without government holding a gun to their head. That's charity.

Holding a gun to a person's head and making them give up their property is armed robbery whether the guy holding the gun gives the stolen property to the poor or keeps it for himself.

Is it not stealing for the government to force me to pay taxes so people in other lands, innocent people, can be killed?

I believe so that's why you will never see me supporting the Bush, Clinton and Obama regime's wars. How do you feel about Obama stealing your money to arm Islamic extremists that murder Christians?

I sincerely believe one huge problem in our country is that most Americans are too young to have ever lived through really bad times and, thus, really do not understand or sympathize with those in need.

That may or not be true however the federal government under Obama is about to give our young people a crash course in what it means to be broke and needy.

If Obama believes in helping the poor why is he robbing 80 billion dollars a month from them to line the pockets of the super wealthy elite and why are you not ranting about this giant theft? I looked up the word "pernicious" in the dictionary and there was a photo of Obama and the senate democrats.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I'll take that as a no. You can't find a passage of scripture where in Jesus advocates using govt force to confiscate property from individuals for the greater good.

Excellent, Poncho. All he has is emotional outbursts, and red-herring assumptions.

 

[Crabtownboy]

And yet you support a man and his political party that do everything they can to divide us into bickering groups.

I do not believe that is his intention. I do believe it was or perhaps I should say is an unintended consequence of the Republicans decision, before Obama was sworn in back in 2008, to oppose absolutely everything he proposed. They have done this, even to filibustering their own idea when the Democrats agreed.

I'd like to see some numbers to back this statement up.

I don't know of any such surveys. As I said, from my own volunteer experience. There are some who are very opposed to Obama and though they would not admit it, it is primary racial. But they do believe that those in need should be helped.

I'm all for helping those in need. So is everyone else here. Local charities are fine. People can give what the want when they want without government holding a gun to their head. That's charity.

Personally, I would rather the gov. hold a gun to my head, as you say, to help those in need rather than hold a gun to my head so they can kill innocent people.

A foreign policy of help would, IMHO, go further than a foreign polity of kill. I am not saying that war can never be avoided, but we are reaping the whirlwind of bad decisions in the past.

Holding a gun to a person's head and making them give up their property is armed robbery whether the guy holding the gun gives the stolen property to the poor or keeps it for himself.

That may or not be true however the federal government under Obama is about to give our young people a crash course in what it means to be broke and needy.

This has been going on for years by both parties. It is finally catching up with us and the current crop of politicians are afraid to seriously address the problem.

If Obama believes in helping the poor why is he robbing 80 billion dollars a month from them to line the pockets of the elite and why are you not ranting about this giant theft?

I am not sure what you mean here. Can you elaborate on this for me.

 

[poncho]

Excellent, Poncho. All he has is emotional outbursts, and red-herring assumptions.

I think he may have moments of clarity but they don't seem to last long.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Clarity ? He claims he doesn't know who Saul Alinsky is. He claims not to know about Obamacare's exemptions. He claims to not know about the Muslim Brotherhood being armed by Obama, and wouldn't acknowledge it even if you beat him over the head with it. After being showed, several times, undeniable proof Bill Clinton starved a half million Iraqi women and children to death, he will not acknowledge it. You are not dealing with an honest person.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I think he may have moments of clarity but they don't seem to last long.

Probably means his meds need to be elevated.

 

[Zaac]

Actually I post out of the teachings and words of Christ. I do not post out of the beliefs of the Republican Party or the Tea Party.

:applause: Your posts are indeed infused with the Christian love that is absent from the obviously angry posts of your detractors.

 

[Zaac]

I believe in both. We can do more together then separately.

While I believe that many Americans are very generous, I do believe there are many Americans who are very pernicious. It is the pernicious ones who scream loudest to their senators and congressmen.

And it's coming loudest from the folks who, by the example of Christ, should be the most giving and loving.

But those within the Church have built up their idols to mammon and political parties and scream louder and more angrily because they keep getting more of the very things they don't want.

For some reason they seem to think God should take His judgment out upon a wicked unsaved world before He deals with the wickedness coming out of the Church.

I sincerely believe one huge problem in our country is that most Americans are too young to have ever lived through really bad times and, thus, really do not understand or sympathize with those in need.

Very true. But the primary issue in this country, and the reason why wickedness pervades and the economy and everything that used to be so great about this country continues to get worse, is because of the unrepentant wickedness that continues to come out of the Church with the people inside the Church trying to justify the wickedness.

It's those 7 churches of Revelation all over again.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Please list all of the "unrepentant wickedness" coming out of the church.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

It's those 7 churches of Revelation all over again.

I think you need to read those chapters again. At least two of the churches were being rewarded for righteousness, and were not criticized. But you not knowing that isn't that surprising.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I think you need to read those chapters again. At least two of the churches were being rewarded for righteousness, and were not criticized. But you not knowing that isn't that surprising.

I'm pretty sure both he and C.T.Boy wave their bibles around more than they read them.

 

[Zaac]

Please list all of the "unrepentant wickedness" coming out of the church.

If you haven't seen it, it's because you choose to not see it. And as the wickedness continues to increase, the love of most will continue to grow colder.

Perhaps that's why the word of God says Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.Rev. 2:5

Too many folks in the Church have forgotten what measure of love it took to save them and have grown callous and unloving in their piousness and disdain for anyone who doesn't do things in the manner in which they politically would.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

If you haven't seen it, it's because you choose to not see it. And as the wickedness continues to increase, the love of most will continue to grow colder.

Please, a short list of what you see as "wickedness coming out of the church". I want to address it, point by point.