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For amillenial brothers....thoughts?

Yeshua1

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The church is present all through revelation.

Strange, as the church lives the scene after John was raptured up though!

And the great tribulation hapened exactly when is history?

and the nation of isreal received Messiah and was reborn as a nation per Ezeckiel in?

And jesus reigned over Isis and all other false and evil religions and monements, he has been ruling over all nations with Iron Rod since?

Jesus is really weak if he is now ruling, and ISIS still chopping off the heads of his followers!
 

DHK

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[FONT=&quot]Jeremiah 3:6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jeremiah 3:11 And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jeremiah 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jeremiah 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jeremiah 3:22 Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jeremiah 8:5 Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jeremiah 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jeremiah 49:4 Wherefore gloriest thou in the valleys, thy flowing valley, O backsliding daughter? that trusted in her treasures, saying, Who shall come unto me?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Hosea 4:16 For Israel slideth back as a backsliding heifer: now the LORD will feed them as a lamb in a large place.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Hosea 11:7 And my people are bent to backsliding from me: though they called them to the most High, none at all would exalt him.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Hosea 14:4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.

12 times does the Lord call Israel a nation of backsliders, even perpetual backsliders.
According to your theology you believe "the church" has replaced Israel, which would mean, b[FONT=&quot]y[/FONT] default, that you are now a perpetual backslider.
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DHK

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The church is present all through revelation.
A meaningless opinion. Demonstrate it through Scripture. There is no church mentioned in the book of Revelation past chapter three. In chapters two and three there are seven churches mentioned, but after that there are none. The Great Tribulation begins with chapter six and ends in chapter 19. There is no church there. If you think there is prove it.
To which you responded:
Sure I can....
But you cannot, and have not.
 

Iconoclast

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Y1


yes it is quite strange that you went into hiding for ten days when you were asked to respond to your last foolish post...much less answer with scripture.
Did you think I would forget that you evaded the response portion and now continue with your unbiblical opinions and questions....this is your pattern...I will post it for you again....


Strange, as the church lives the scene after John was raptured up though!

and from 11 days ago;
Y1




Strange, the prophets all foresaw an earthly Kingdom of Messiah reigning, bring peace upon this earth, why don't you?

The only thing that is strange is you have not answered anything you were asked to respond to,and yet you ask another question as if It is okay for you not to answer, not offer any scriptural support, and yet expect a response...
that is strange. here ...just to remind you-

Y1

There is NO biblcal support taht the Church, by preaching the Gospel, will take over the earth for Jesus though

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You are asking for biblical support? Sure.....as soon as you respond biblically to the last two posts in which you offer nothing on the verses....respond to these first;1]
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You like DHK resist what was already shown in scripture;
jn 12:
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.16 These things understood not his disciples at the first:

they did not understand...at first, like you and other dispensationalists now-
now look what it says;

but when Jesus was glorified,

then remembered they that these things were written of him,

and that they had done these things unto him.
Zion's King...did come, they worshipped Him...

2] In your last response.....you ignored the verses from psalm 72.....you did not respond at all, except to offer a vague denial.

Here is Ken Gentry;

In Solomon's glorious Psalm we find a prophetic pledge that Christ "shall have dominion from sea to sea." And he promises this gracious worldwide victory of the Christian faith in time and on earth "while the sun and moon endure" (72:5) and despite the existence of those "enemies" (72:9) who would "afflict" and "oppress" (72:2, 4).

Under the gracious sway of his gospel, Christ will cause "the righteous to flourish" (72:7) and bring "peace to the people" (Psa. 72:5). Resulting from this righteousness and peace will come "abundance" and "flourishing" prosperity in all the earth (72:16). Ultimately, "all nations [will] call him blessed" (72:17) so that "the whole earth [will] be filled with his glory" (72:19).

Such is the postmillennial hope. Christ will return after millennial conditions prevail upon the earth (hence, post-millennialism), not before them (as in the popular pre-millennial system). The millennial blessings arise under the influence of the gospel, not because of Armageddon.

Though many evangelicals today are concerned about being Left Behind before the future collapses into absolute chaos, the postmillennialist is optimistic that He Shall Have Dominion throughout the earth. Rather than adopting "I'll Fly Away" as their anthem, postmillennialists prefer "Onward Christian Soldiers."


respond to the verses that say dominion is from sea to sea in the midst of His enemies
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as the Bible expressly states to us that in the end, times will be tough and hard, so much in fact, that if jesus did not come back for his elect, even they would perish!
This was spoken about the "end" of the jewish theocracy". Those who lived before the destruction of the temple were warned....



Isis has not yet gotten the memo either that Jeus reigns over them yet...

Isis, cults, non Christian heathen exist.....as the gospel spreads...they say- we will not have this man to reign over us. However he is reigning with a rod of iron rule, no idle word will go unpunished.
nevertheless on the last day, every knee will bow,and every tongue will confess.....They will get the memo at that time ,and remember it for all eternity in hell.
 
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Iconoclast

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DHK

I believe a professed Christian should let his yes be yes and his no mean no. We should be honest in our posting also. I think you have come up short on these things right here...look what you did....

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The church is present all through revelation.


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A meaningless opinion. Demonstrate it through Scripture. There is no church mentioned in the book of Revelation past chapter three. In chapters two and three there are seven churches mentioned, but after that there are none. The Great Tribulation begins with chapter six and ends in chapter 19. There is no church there. If you think there is prove it.


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Sure I can....

But you cannot, and have not.

We both know that is not all I said. here is what I said;

Sure...I can do that.....as soon as you produce your phantom verse about LOT,
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DHK,
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However the Bible defines Lot as a backslider and a just one. Therefore there is a such a thing as a believer that can backslide. Something for you to consider.

still cannot find it...ehh
really...let's see what I actually did say....

Sure...I can do that.....as soon as you produce your phantom verse about LOT,[/

So...you post 12 verses on backsliding[ there are 16 actually} but you post 75%:thumbs:

Not one of them supports your mistaken statement that Lot was a backslider. Not one....You still do not grasp that a backslider was an apostate.
Lot had sin in His life as did all the OT saints, but he was not an apostate.

What you should have said is.....I DHK have overstated the case completely.
I am sorry....I was in error....I offered false teaching about Lot....let me publically correct my error....

No...instead you hold onto error, and misrepresent what I said to you in a shameful fashion. Are you now following Y1 in avoiding the direct response?
 

Iconoclast

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DHK
12 times does the Lord call Israel a nation of backsliders, even perpetual backsliders.
According to your theology you believe "the church" has replaced Israel, which would mean, by default, that you are now a perpetual backslider.


My theology does not teach that at all. Again you are void of understanding.
"which would mean by default"....Dhk try not to think so hard...you might hurt yourself.
 

Iconoclast

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Y1

Strange, as the church lives the scene after John was raptured up though!

Let's say....you were trying to say....the church leaves the scene.....

do not run away again y1......but where IN SCRIPTURE...does it say - the church leaves the scene???? I know you have no answer because it is not in scripture at all...but I ask just for clarification...did you read this idea in one of the current end time comic books???

You suggest....John was raptured????

based on this?

4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
The text does not say if John was physically changed to go into heaven, or if he was invited to enter by prophetic vision...like Isaiah, or Stephen were does it...check your comic book for the answer that is not there.;);)


Even if he was himself somehow brought into heaven...it says nothing about the church...you have read extra biblical writers who offered this idea to you, you have not really looked into it, so going on second hand information and no scripture whatsoever...you post on and on....
 

Aaron

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Strange, as the church lives the scene after John was raptured up though!
Was John "raptured up?"

And the great tribulation hapened exactly when is history?
Again, your presuppositions are figuring very prominently in your interpretations.

and the nation of isreal received Messiah and was reborn as a nation per Ezeckiel in?
The Church is the Israel of God.

And jesus reigned over Isis and all other false and evil religions and monements, he has been ruling over all nations with Iron Rod since?
Since His Ascension.

Jesus is really weak if he is now ruling, and ISIS still chopping off the heads of his followers!
He is ruling. The violence is His judgment upon the nations. Don't you see? Open your eyes of faith. Don't judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
 

DHK

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really...let's see what I actually did say....

Sure...I can do that.....as soon as you produce your phantom verse about LOT,[/

So...you post 12 verses on backsliding[ there are 16 actually} but you post 75%:thumbs:

Not one of them supports your mistaken statement that Lot was a backslider. Not one....You still do not grasp that a backslider was an apostate.
Lot had sin in His life as did all the OT saints, but he was not an apostate.
The basic challenge for you was:
Demonstrate through scripture that the church goes through the Great Tribulation as described in Revelation 6 -19. There is no church mentioned past Revelation chapter four.

Your answer as above is:
Sure...I can do that.....as soon as you produce your phantom verse about LOT,[/
--This is the same as: "No, I can't do it."
It is a deflection. "I will as soon as you do this." It is an unacceptable answer; it is child's play. Either answer the question or admit that you cannot.

We can talk about Lot in another post.
 

Yeshua1

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Was John "raptured up?"

Again, your presuppositions are figuring very prominently in your interpretations.

The Church is the Israel of God.

Since His Ascension.

He is ruling. The violence is His judgment upon the nations. Don't you see? Open your eyes of faith. Don't judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

John was caught up in his nision with the Lord, as a type of what will be happening to the Church..
The great tribulation never has happened, as that event would have involved entire world, not just Jerusalem and the temple..Doubt that all of the very elect could have lost their lives if he did not return fits that!

There is NO scripture in the NT to support Church is now spiritual israel...

And when messiah reigns, all of his enemies would be put under his reigning, and NONE would be allowed to go against Him, so did ISIS miss that memo?
 
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