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[Walpole]

For Catholics Only ...

What are some of the most common misconceptions Protestants seem to have about Catholics and Catholicism?

That we believe the pope is impeccable.
That we believe the pope can make up doctrine.
That we believe anything the pope says must be accepted and believed.

As another poster said, sadly there are common misconceptions Catholics themselves have about Catholicism as well. That is the greater tragedy.

 

[MartyF]

We don't do Tulip or volcano god.

I don't get it.

 

[MartyF]

The RCC is Christian but they cursed Protestants to hell in Trent and they never have rescinded it.

This is an excellent point.

Catholics come to this forum to claim that they are persecuted when, in fact, they are and have traditionally been the primary persecutors.

 

[church mouse guy]

This is an excellent point.

Catholics come to this forum to claim that they are persecuted when, in fact, they are and have traditionally been the primary persecutors.

Agreed. Pope Benedict famously reiterated the old RCC saying that there is no Salvation outside the walls of the Catholic Church.

Have you seem Dominus Iesus? They say that Baptist Churches are not proper churches.

Some Cathollics are nice and friendly and are able to be friends with Protestants. I myself do not think that Protestants and Catholics should marry each other.


Dominus Iesus

 

[Walpole]

Agreed. Pope Benedict famously reiterated the old RCC saying that there is no Salvation outside the walls of the Catholic Church.

Have you seem Dominus Iesus? They say that Baptist Churches are not proper churches.

Some Cathollics are nice and friendly and are able to be friends with Protestants. I myself do not think that Protestants and Catholics should marry each other.


Dominus Iesus

FYI, the progenitors of Protestantism also believed there was no salvation outside their "churches"...

"For outside the Christian Church, there is no truth, no Christ, and no salvation." (Martin Luther, Sermon for the Early Christmas Service; Luke 2:15-20 (1521-1522). Luther's Works, American Ed., Hans J. Hillerbrand, Helmut T. Lehmann ed., Philadelphia, Concordia Publishing House/Fortress Press, 1974, ISBN 0-8006-0352-4 (Sermons II), vol. 52:39-40)

"...beyond the pale of the Church, no forgiveness of sins, no salvation can be hoped for." (John Calvin, Institutes, Book IV, Ch 1:4)


As for Baptist churches not being proper churches, that is correct, as the presence of a bishop is essential to define the Church itself. There is no Church if there is no valid bishop presiding over her. (See Council of Nicea)

 

[church mouse guy]

FYI, the progenitors of Protestantism also believed there was no salvation outside their "churches"...

"For outside the Christian Church, there is no truth, no Christ, and no salvation. (Martin Luther, Sermon for the Early Christmas Service; Luke 2:15-20 (1521-1522). Luther's Works, American Ed., Hans J. Hillerbrand, Helmut T. Lehmann ed., Philadelphia, Concordia Publishing House/Fortress Press, 1974, ISBN 0-8006-0352-4 (Sermons II), vol. 52:39-40)


"...beyond the pale of the Church, no forgiveness of sins, no salvation can be hoped for." (John Calvin, Institutes, Book IV, Ch 1:4)

The RCC notion would predate the Reformation. My guess is that the RCC said that about the Eastern Orthodox in 1054. Neither Luther nor Calvin in your quotations define what is the Christian Church so I am not sure what is meant. As for me myself, I said above that I consider the RCC to be Christian, although I am sure that many Baptists do not. It is because of Trent that most Protestants do not count on the RCC for much. Chuck Colson tried to form Evangelicals & Catholics Together, ECT, with Richard John Neuhaus but they failed because of Trent. Dominus Iesus did not help either and neither did the Catholic saying that there is no salvation outside the walls of the Catholic Church. I have known Latin American Catholics who were very vehement that that Trent was right. American Catholics are milder than others around the world.

 

[Walpole]

The RCC notion would predate the Reformation. My guess is that the RCC said that about the Eastern Orthodox in 1054. Neither Luther nor Calvin in your quotations define what is the Christian Church so I am not sure what is meant. As for me myself, I said above that I consider the RCC to be Christian, although I am sure that many Baptists do not. It is because of Trent that most Protestants do not count on the RCC for much. Chuck Colson tried to form Evangelicals & Catholics Together, ECT, with Richard John Neuhaus but they failed because of Trent. Dominus Iesus did not help either and neither did the Catholic saying that there is no salvation outside the walls of the Catholic Church. I have known Latin American Catholics who were very vehement that that Trent was right. American Catholics are milder than others around the world.

Thankfully our Christian identity is not defined by what Baptists think.

Dominus Iesus was important because ecumenism was introducing relativism and clarity was needed to articulate the truths of the Catholic faith.

I doubt many Latin American Catholics could site anything Trent taught. I even doubt you know what exactly Trent taught. Likely you have a biased notion of what it taught based on your own church tradition. For example, you stated in a previous post that "they [Catholics] cursed Protestants to hell in Trent and they never have rescinded it." This is not true. If you think it is, please post the canon / teaching / document from Trent stating such.

You can try searching here ---> http://www.documentacatholicaomnia....ilium_Tridentinum,_Canons_And_Decrees,_EN.pdf

 

[Yeshua1]

Thank you for this information. I, for one, have grown weary of seeing those who have views that are not "Baptist" (or that do not conform to the majority here) being ridiculed, scorned, bullied, and harrassed on this board.

But, perhaps, I'm in the minority. It certainly appears that way. But from where I'm sitting, I find it disheartening,and just plain wrong. So be it.

Council Of Trent teaches another Gospel, so why are you so concerned if we point that out?

 

[Yeshua1]

Good example of a misconception

Rome denies Pauline Justification, as per Trent itself!

 

[Yeshua1]

A typical Catholic is easy pickings. I wouldn't be surprised if most believed in Sola Scriptura, for example.

Catholics cannot, as Tradition and Ppal doctrines announcements equal to scriptures!

 

[church mouse guy]

Thankfully our Christian identity is not defined by what Baptists think.

Dominus Iesus was important because ecumenism was introducing relativism and clarity was needed to articulate the truths of the Catholic faith.

I doubt many Latin American Catholics could site anything Trent taught. I even doubt you know what exactly Trent taught. Likely you have a biased notion of what it taught based on your own church tradition. For example, you stated in a previous post that "they [Catholics] cursed Protestants to hell in Trent and they never have rescinded it." This is not true. If you think it is, please post the canon / teaching / document from Trent stating such.

You can try searching here ---> http://www.documentacatholicaomnia....ilium_Tridentinum,_Canons_And_Decrees,_EN.pdf

How do you define anathema?

 

[Yeshua1]

I know next to nothing about Catholicism, so it's hard to know how to answer that question.

I don't really have any preconceived notions. I guess it's difficult to have misconceptions when one doesn't have conceptions? Lol

Bottom line: I can only plead ignorance on this subject.

Please read up on what Rome teaches, as its basically taking the terms of Christianity, but applying radically different meanings to them!

 

[Yeshua1]

And an outright false claim to boot! He always makes the charge but can't back it up with fact, he only uses more falsehoods as his examples.

Does Rome teach that a lost sinner cna have imputed to them by God the very righteousness of Jesus thru faith alone? Nope, as teach instead infused by sacramental graces!

 

[Yeshua1]

The RCC notion would predate the Reformation. My guess is that the RCC said that about the Eastern Orthodox in 1054. Neither Luther nor Calvin in your quotations define what is the Christian Church so I am not sure what is meant. As for me myself, I said above that I consider the RCC to be Christian, although I am sure that many Baptists do not. It is because of Trent that most Protestants do not count on the RCC for much. Chuck Colson tried to form Evangelicals & Catholics Together, ECT, with Richard John Neuhaus but they failed because of Trent. Dominus Iesus did not help ally Apostse then!either and neither did the Catholic saying that there is no salvation outside the walls of the Catholic Church. I have known Latin American Catholics who were very vehement that that Trent was right. American Catholics are milder than others around the world.

We have to take what Rome teaches by Council of Trent, and they declared against Pauline Justification, and that made them officially! Apostate

 

[Yeshua1]

Thankfully our Christian identity is not defined by what Baptists think.

Dominus Iesus was important because ecumenism was introducing relativism and clarity was needed to articulate the truths of the Catholic faith.

I doubt many Latin American Catholics could site anything Trent taught. I even doubt you know what exactly Trent taught. Likely you have a biased notion of what it taught based on your own church tradition. For example, you stated in a previous post that "they [Catholics] cursed Protestants to hell in Trent and they never have rescinded it." This is not true. If you think it is, please post the canon / teaching / document from Trent stating such.


Those holding to Reformers view on Pauline Justification were considered to be anathema!

 

[Yeshua1]

How do you define anathema?

Holding to damnable doctrines

 

[church mouse guy]

Holding to damnable doctrines

It also means that the other person can go where it is thought that Judas Iscariot went.

Benedict XIV (1740-58--De Synodo dioecesana X, i) cites the anathema maranatha formulated by the Fathers of the Fourth Council of Toledo against those who were guilty of the crime of high treason: "He who dares to despise our decision, let him be stricken with anathema maranatha, i.e. may he be damned at the coming of the Lord, may he have his place with Judas Iscariot, he and his companions. Amen."

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Anathema

 

[Yeshua1]

It also means that the other person can go where it is thought that Judas Iscariot went.

So Rome was declaring reformers to be in same status as Judas and those heretics Paul warned about in Galatians!

 

[Hollow Man]

James claims that works are required for salvation.

False.

Everyone claims that Jesus atonement is the only payment for sin.

False. CCC 1475 says sinners must go to Purgatory to expiate their own sins.

WHAT SORT OF A CHRISTIAN ARE YOU?

The kind who listens to Proverbs 26:4. ​

 

[church mouse guy]

So Rome was declaring reformers to be in same status as Judas and those heretics Paul warned about in Galatians!

Yeah, I edited it to add this from the Catholic Encyclopedia New Advent:

Benedict XIV (1740-58--De Synodo dioecesana X, i) cites the anathema maranatha formulated by the Fathers of the Fourth Council of Toledo against those who were guilty of the crime of high treason: "He who dares to despise our decision, let him be stricken with anathema maranatha, i.e. may he be damned at the coming of the Lord, may he have his place with Judas Iscariot, he and his companions. Amen."

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Anathema