That will not save a lost sinner though!
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No. In matters of religion its required of you to follow your good conscience.
So going AGAINST the catholic church under certain conditions is consider HONORABLE.
1782 Man has the right to act in conscience and in freedom so as personally to make moral decisions. "He must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his conscience, especially in religious matters."53
I was given the command to Love God and Love neighbor. Not save my own neck.
Matthew 16
25“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
Jesus can have my life, eternal or not, He can have my salvation.
You know, this is Maundy Thursday so I don't want to go over the top, but if you throw Martin Luther, for example, out of the RCC and there is no salvation outside the walls of the Catholic Church, haven't you sent the guy to where it's hot?
Walpole
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Once again, the Church has no power or authority to send anyone to hell. What the Church does have the authority to do is to exclude individuals from the Sacraments and from communion with her (the Church). The end / purpose of excommunication is not separation and punishment from the Church, but rather to encourage repentance, restoration and full communion.
Here is Pope Leo X's excommunication of Martin Luther. He pleads with him to come back into communion with the Church, as a father pleading with a son ---> Exsurge Domine (Papal Bull Condemning the Errors of Martin Luther, 1520)
Contrast that with Martin Luther's reply to Pope Leo X ---> Against the Execrable Bull of the Antichrist by Martin Luther
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The Eastern Orthodox and the Protestants have rejected the idea that the RCC Pope is the leader of all Christians. We also reject the idea that Trent was correct and consider Trent false and hostile when examined in the light of Pope Leo X. We also think that Dominus Iesus poured more gasoline on the fire. Of course, we do believe that there is Salvation outside of the walls of the Catholic Church. New Advent says that the history of the word anathema from the days of the Spanish Inquisition is that one was condemned to hell:
Benedict XIV (1740-58--De Synodo dioecesana X, i) cites the anathema maranatha formulated by the Fathers of the Fourth Council of Toledo against those who were guilty of the crime of high treason: "He who dares to despise our decision, let him be stricken with anathema maranatha, i.e. may he be damned at the coming of the Lord, may he have his place with Judas Iscariot, he and his companions. Amen."
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Anathema
Other than that, we get along fine with you and don't mind you but we think that Pope Francis is incorrect to blame this pandemic on global warming/climate change.
Do you mean that they can be saved if they become Catholics or are you saying that Muslims, etc., go to Heaven by being good Muslims? If you are saying that everyone goes to Heaven no matter what that is universalism in my book and I don't believe it. Only Christians go to Heaven in my book. Even Father Mitch Pacwa, whom we remember from years ago when he appeared on the John Ankerberg Show, said that Pachamama is a Peruvian idol, implying that Amazon tribes needed to be converted to Christianity.
Him, and every other person who denies what Rome is selling to us!
After saved yes, but does not save you!
eology!
Rome teaches that Goid will credit them for their sincere faith, as they would have no doubt become Catholics if just knew that that Theology!
You said what you don’t believe. That is not the same as explaining what you do believe. You’re just dodging the question.
So, yes, you still refuse to answer.
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Walpole
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One of these days you are going to surprise me and demonstrate that you have actually read the New Testament...
1 John 4:7-21 ---> Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us. By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of hisSpirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.
Christianity 101.
Walpole
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What have I refused to answer? Please post your question.
Sorry, wrong person.
Indeed, the RCC is impotent. What's your point?
Social gospel. Even atheists can embrace the social gospel because it is devoid of God.
Walpole
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Actually both acknowledge that the bishop of Rome (pope) is the protos. There is no getting around it, as it is a historical fact.
Revenna Document ---> Ravenna Document - Wikipedia
Actual Text ---> The Ravenna Document
Even Luther acknowledged it...
"That the Roman Church is more honored by God than all others is not to be doubted. St, Peter and St. Paul, forty-six Popes, some hundreds of thousands of martyrs, have laid down their lives in its communion, having overcome Hell and the world; so that the eyes of God rest on the Roman church with special favor. Though nowadays everything is in a wretched state, it is no ground for separating from the Church. On the contrary, the worse things are going, the more should we hold close to her, for it is not by separating from the Church that we can make her better. We must not separate from God on account of any work of the devil, nor cease to have fellowship with the children of God who are still abiding in the pale of Rome on account of the multitude of the ungodly. There is no sin, no amount of evil, which should be permitted to dissolve the bond of charity or break the bond of unity of the body. For love can do all things, and nothing is difficult to those who are united.” - Letter to Pope Leo X, January 6, 1519
De Synodo Diocesana was written when Benedict XIV was Cardinal Lambertini in 1725. It does not define what an anathema is, but rather was quoting a specific case.
Here is the original ---> Sanctissimi domini nostri Benedicti Papae XIV De Synodo Diocesana libri tredecim in duos tomos distributi
I doubt the pope said that, but please quote him and I will comment.
Walpole
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No problem.
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