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free will vs. election???????

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convicted1

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HisWitness said:
here again your tradition is blinding your eyes to see--May God give you a ear to hear :love2::love2::love2:
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Well, show me with scripture well I am blinded by my traditions. I have showed you the Greek word used for everlasting and eternal, and you say they don't mean that. I have ran across many who say that, "well it says that, but doesn't mean it that way".
 
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Also, the same Greek word used for "eternal" is used for "eternal life" and "eternal damnation"? How is punishment not eternal, yet joys in heaven shall be eternal, when the same Greek word is used?
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well if you read the scriptures I gave--they are all the same greek and Hebrew word also--so do you get 2 different meanings out of the same word by what you are saying--cause the scriptures I gave you are plainly showing its not eternal but age lasting ??
 
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convicted1 said:
Well, show me with scripture well I am blinded by my traditions. I have showed you the Greek word used for everlasting and eternal, and you say they don't mean that. I have ran across many who say that, "well it says that, but doesn't mean it that way".
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why don't you concentrate on the scriptures I posted with that word in them--you are flying to all sorts of different verses instead of them ?
 
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Don't understand my questions only, give me an answer.
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my friend God had to give me the answer and its no different than you also--He shines his light upon man and reveals truth--but when men are hardened by tradition--it might take a bit to reveal--cause he has to break the hardened man :godisgood::godisgood::godisgood:
 
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By necessity, the flip side of this is that God did not love the unelected. He did not love them so he did not elect them. Is that the God of the Bible? I don't think so.
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If it is indeed the God of the bible...would you worship HIM?

Did the God of jn 3:16 send a flood to destroy the world of the ungodly?

Was the love of God ....in the ark? or outside?

How was the love of God manifest when they were commanded to destroy the Amalekites...men ,women, children and , nursing babies?

When God manifests His just wrath and condemnation....is that okay? Is that the God of the bible?

ITL....both issues need to be addressed....God's love/ God's wrath....:wavey:
 
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awakenThe bible describes God as being good to all men....the rain shines upon the just and the unjust
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Awaken..........as I predicted FLAWLESSLY.......Icon will justify the thought that God "LOVES" everyone by appealing to the "Rain shines upon the just and the un-just"......thing.

Anyone who understands that earthly prosperity is NOT true flourishing would know that God doesn't "love" everyone.

Icon wants you to think that since a man might "gain the whole world"........................and still lose his soul, that Calvinism is congruent with the idea that God "Loves" everyone. Again.....his lies are defeated by Scripture:
Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

To love someone is to desire their "True flourishing"...and "true flourishing" does not exist without an eternal relationship with God.

Calvinism does not submit that (what is true human flourishing)....is something God desires or wants for ALL people.

Icon.....As I predicted stated that God "loves" everyone by pretending that earthly Providence is the expression of God's "LOVE". That's a lie you should be able to see through by now.

God DOES NOT WANT EVERYONE SAVED according to the Calvinist schema..............

Unless and until they admit that truth to you.........they will try to side-track you without admitting that that is PRECISELY what they believe.

Icon believes that God did NOT care enought for "everyone" for Christ to have died for them. That's a fact.....and he won't deny it.

Icon believes that Christ died ONLY for the "few" who find the narrow way..........the rest are irreparably damned.

Icon believes that, he is a Calvinist..........and he hasn't strictly admitted that fact to you in so many words.
If you want your questions answered by those who believe this biblical teaching....follow what we say....on a legal pad, or note book.
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Did you catch that???? Just "Follow what WE SAY"..........that's how Calvinists work.
You asked about Election .....not about....watch out for ICON remarks..
i am not the focus here...
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Nope.................................................Icon is NOT the "focus".....just DEMAND from him whether he will Clearly spell-out whether he believes that Christ died for "all" people or whether God "loves" all people...........and demand that he tell you the answer in a direct, simple and straight-forward manner.

Again.........please watch the excellent link Winman initially posted which explains how Calvinists (including Icon) do not believe that God does "LOVE" everyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Daomzm3nyIg

Icon wil run from that link all he likes.......but he has NOTHING to refute it. Demand that ICON honestly explain "Limited Atonement" to you...........

Ask him whether God intended to save all mankind or not......first....and then see if "Calvinism" makes Biblical sense.
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Iconoclast said:
InTheLight



If it is indeed the God of the bible...would you worship HIM?

Did the God of jn 3:16 send a flood to destroy the world of the ungodly?

Was the love of God ....in the ark? or outside?

How was the love of God manifest when they were commanded to destroy the Amalekites...men ,women, children and , nursing babies?

When God manifests His just wrath and condemnation....is that okay? Is that the God of the bible?

ITL....both issues need to be addressed....God's love/ God's wrath....:wavey:
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I predicted you would post the "Rain falls upon the just and the un-just" pablum..............

and you proved me dead on correct......

I know Calvinism like the back of my hand.........and it was crap when I predicted your response.....and it's crap now.
 
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Oh boy is right. We've been around this mulberry bush before. Eternal isn't really eternal....bla bla bla...

Millennial Exclusion is a banned topic on BB, because it is heresy. Yes, the H word. LOL
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I'm thankful Brother Rob trusted my discernment/judgement on this thread. Eternal is eternal, whether it's eternal life or eternal damnation. One's just as long as the other.
 
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Amy.G said:
Oh boy is right. We've been around this mulberry bush before. Eternal isn't really eternal....bla bla bla...

Millennial Exclusion is a banned topic on BB, because it is heresy. Yes, the H word. LOL
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if you reject the scriptures I gave that plainly show that forever and the like verses were age lasting and not eternal--then that is your choice--someone cant be in the earth's bars FOREVER and get out 3 days later--that is NOT eternal but age lasting and all the other scriptures are in the same likeness--study and you will see them:godisgood::godisgood:
 
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