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Freewill towards salvation is not Scriptural.

Benoni

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Do any of you know what the Tabernacle of David IS.

There were at least four wonderful examples of types of Tabernacles/Temples that God ordained used in the Old Testament that show us what God is truly doing to the temple that he has fashioned with in us. Tabernacle in the Wilderness, Tabernacle of David, Solomons temple Harolds Temple and The Temple with in us.

As you know there was an outer court an inner court and a holy of holies in all examples of the tabernacle/temples but not with the tabernacle of David. This is pretty basic stuff especially with Brother’s Bills teachings.

But the Tabernacle of David was only the ”holy of holies”, and David a type of Christ (a king) was able to go directly to the Holy of holies without a priest.

There was no brazen altar, no alter of incense, lampstand; but David faced the Glory of God right there with out a high priest. Here is the leadership ordained by God in Mt Zion the highest mountain of God performing high priest duties and all was ordained by the Father in heaven.

There were hints to David’s priestly service 2 Sam 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. (KJV)

646 'ephowd (ay-fode'); rarely 'ephod (ay-fode'); probably of foreign derivation a girdle; specifically the ephod or high-priest's shoulderpiece; also generally, an image:

Samual slept in the Holy of Holies.

Carnal man is the wicked and does not have the ability to hear God until he is first quickened for he is spiritual dead in trespasses and sin, does not matter if you are Hitler or your neighbor he has not been called. Please do not take this lightly for God’s Word is deep and it is spiritual but I want to start with one verse, notice the quote “who are called by my name, says the Lord” There is nothing literal about God’s Melchezidek Priesthood, it is one of the most hidden spiritual messages in God’s Word.

Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'

Acts 15: 13-18 (Message) James broke the silence. "Friends, listen. Simeon has told us the story of how God at the very outset made sure that racial outsiders were included. This is in perfect agreement with the words of the prophets: After this, I'm coming back; I'll rebuild David's ruined house; I'll put all the pieces together again; I'll make it look like new So outsiders who seek will find, so they'll have a place to come to, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing. "God said it and now he's doing it. It's no afterthought; he's always known he would do this

Acts 15: (Amp) 17So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,

Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord— even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,

Acts 15: 17 (NIRV) Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.' —(Amos 9:11,12)
Now if the rest of men may seek the Lord, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing “, “ all the Gentiles , the “remainder of man kind are destroyed as you proclaim in the Lake of Devine Purging (Lake of Fire); then what about this promise
 

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No Kingdom

The Devil has no kingdom

Revelation 20:10
1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years...
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.


Chained in darkness where the fires of hell can't quench is not much of a kingdom.

I believe the scriptures that eternal is everlasting, for ever and ever.
 

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And please do not tell me that this has nothing to do with the ages to come read Amos.

Amos 9:1 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
13Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.


This is God's plan for the heathen a Melchizedek priesthood for all the Lord has not called. This is why God is calling His elect; the overcomer, the firstfruits, the saviors.
 

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The Devil has no kingdom

Revelation 20:10
1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years...
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.


Chained in darkness where the fires of hell can't quench is not much of a kingdom.

I believe the scriptures that eternal is everlasting, for ever and ever.

Amen. But not the people
 

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Matthew 7:15
[ A Tree and Its Fruit ] "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Acts 13:6
They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar-Jesus,

1 John 4:1
[ Test the Spirits ] Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

False prophets are apart of the people. So ever lasting and eternal is good where it is good for you?
 

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Matthew 7:15
[ A Tree and Its Fruit ] "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Acts 13:6
They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar-Jesus,

1 John 4:1
[ Test the Spirits ] Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

False prophets are apart of the people. So ever lasting and eternal is good where it is good for you?

Yes they are and Jesus blood will cover them all.




1 Cor 15:24-28
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
(KJV)

I like the Amplified which declares. “Everything to everyone”

28However, when everything is subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also subject Himself to [the Father] Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [be everything to everyone, supreme, the indwelling and controlling factor of life].
 

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Revelation 20

The Dead Are Judged
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
 
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Pretty cut and dry!

This is true if you look at the only the letter that killeth. The Lake of Divine Purging is a spiritual fire for it is only mentioned in the Book of Revelation where John was in spirit on the lords day. Nothing mentioned of him being literal in any sense of the word.

The second death is actually death from death; we are all living spiritual dea now which is the first death; physical death is nothing more then a literal example of what death is. A dead man cannot see, hear, touch anything; this is double true for a spiritual dead man who is not alive to the realm of God.

Romans 8:1 THEREFORE, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus, who live [and] walk not after the dictates of the flesh, but after the dictates of the Spirit.(1)

2For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.

This is the law of sin and death which is not physical death but spiritual death, how can someone freed from the law of sin and death be phyically dead?

3For God has done what the Law could not do, [its power] being weakened by the flesh [[1] the entire nature of man without the Holy Spirit]. Sending His own Son in the guise of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, [God] condemned sin in the flesh [[2] subdued, overcame, [3] deprived it of its power over all who accept that sacrifice],(2)

4So that the righteous and just requirement of the Law might be fully met in us who live and move not in the ways of the flesh but in the ways of the Spirit [our lives governed not by the standards and according to the dictates of the flesh, but controlled by the Holy Spirit].

5For those who are according to the flesh and are controlled by its unholy desires set their minds on and [4] pursue those things which gratify the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit and are controlled by the desires of the Spirit set their minds on and [5] seek those things which gratify the [Holy] Spirit.
6Now the mind of the flesh [which is sense and reason without the Holy Spirit] is death [death that [6] comprises all the miseries arising from sin, both here and hereafter]. But the mind of the [Holy] Spirit is life and [soul] peace [both now and forever].
7[That is] because the mind of the flesh [with its carnal thoughts and purposes] is hostile to God, for it does not submit itself to God's Law; indeed it cannot.
8So then those who are living the life of the flesh [catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature] cannot please or satisfy God, or be acceptable to Him.
9But you are not living the life of the flesh, you are living the life of the Spirit, if the [Holy] Spirit of God [really] dwells within you [directs and controls you]. But if anyone does not possess the [Holy] Spirit of Christ, he is none of His [he does not belong to Christ, is not truly a child of God].(3)

10But if Christ lives in you, [then although] your [natural] body is dead by reason of sin and guilt, the spirit is alive because of [the] righteousness [that He imputes to you].

11And if the Spirit of Him Who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, [then] He Who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also restore to life your mortal (short-lived, perishable) bodies through His Spirit Who dwells in you.

12So then, brethren, we are debtors, but not to the flesh [we are not obligated to our carnal nature], to live [a life ruled by the standards set up by the dictates] of the flesh.

13For if you live according to [the dictates of] the flesh, you will surely die. But if through the power of the [Holy] Spirit you are [habitually] putting to death (making extinct, deadening) the [evil] deeds prompted by the body, you shall [really and genuinely] live forever.

14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.



(Concordant Translation)
Rev 2:11 "'"Who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit is saying to the ecclesias. "'"The one who is conquering may under no circumstances be injured by the second death."

How can the second death be negative if overcome cannot be hurt by the second death, only thouse who have not gone thought the death process now will be hurt by the second death.

(KJV)
Rev. 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death


(Concordant Translation)
Rev 20:6 Happy and holy is he who is having part in the former resurrection! Over these the second death has no jurisdiction, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will be reigning with Him the thousand years.


Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.


Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years
 

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Book of Death; or Book of Life?

Luke 17:6
And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

What kind of faith does a mustard seed have? The faith to grow; that is what is seed does; that is what life does; it grows. Mustard seed; Book of Life; God is using this hidden message to of a seed planted in the earth; but out of death; like Jesus; it grows.

As in all things when religious men use the dead letter; God’s Word becomes not life; but death. Dead letter; so dead it is fatalist to minds of all that subscribe to its doctrines of damnations. The Book of Life becomes a book of death for billions and billions of God’s creation. John 3:16 becomes a verse of condemnation not a declaration of salvation for the believer; and the religious always ignore John 3:17.

John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (might add by translator; Jesus does not might anything)


The Book of Life is about Life; God’s Word is Life and so are all of His realities; like all things in life it will grow until it restores all of God’s fallen are restored to His will. Yes there is death; BUT God will even someday destroy death. You call it hyperbole; I agree it is such a Hugh hole; no not one of God’s people created in His image will b left out.

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s)
It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation (That is all you understand) which to the whole race,
so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race.
(19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous.
Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.


You are so boxed into condemnation with your doctrines of Damnation you will never comphend the grace is overflowing. Now there is a hyper hole; grace overflowed.
 

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overcomes

1 John 5
Faith in the Son of God
1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
 

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1 John 5
Faith in the Son of God
1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Again I repeat.
Who are God’s elect? The Overcomers. There are two types of people in the Book of Revelation; the Overcomer and everyone else.

There are two types of people in the Book of Revelation, those who overcome and those who do not.

The second death is a process for all of us who have not overcome now; it is a spiritual process.

Just because you are heir to salvation does not make you the elect.

Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes BEFORE the throne

(Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .

Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 

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Elect

I believe in the Elect and the great multitude and it doesn't matter which group you are or think you are, only those who trust in Jesus will overcome.

John 15
The Vine and the Branches
1"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[The Greek for prunes also means cleans.] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

Romans 11:
17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
 
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Young’s Literal John 3:14 `And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up, 15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. 17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;
Sorry, but this doesn't change what I wrote to you at all. It still says, "every one who is believing in him."
"QUICK ."Quick means living and active — LIFE-GIVING! making it active, operative, energizing and effective, notice the context of Ephesians which shows us step by step how the salvation process works.

Eph, 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast
Exactly! Upon the quickening, we are made alive. This is at the moment of our salvation. What's so hard to understand about that?

Then you refer to: “Rev. 3:20” which is clearly speaking to the church realm.

Rev. 3:20

"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. 'IF' any man HEAR MY VOICE and open the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him and he with Me."
Um -- no, I didn't refer to Revelation. BUT, don't make the mistake of writing off the importance of this verse, both to the church and to the individual.

And whether it talks to the church realm, or to the church, or to the individual, it still is showing requirement to make a decision.

I could also throw the parable of the sowing of the seeds at you...but I fear you refuse to objectively examine anything.
 

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Don,

What you are missing is the priesthood of God.

Carnal man is the wicked and does not have the ability to hear God until he is first quickened for he is spiritual dead in trespasses and sin, does not matter if you are Hitler or your neighbor he has not been called. Please do not take this lightly for God’s Word is deep and it is spiritual but I want to start with one verse, notice the quote “who are called by my name, says the Lord” There is nothing literal about God’s Melchezidek Priesthood, it is one of the most hidden spiritual messages in God’s Word.

Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'

Acts 15: 13-18 (Message) James broke the silence. "Friends, listen. Simeon has told us the story of how God at the very outset made sure that racial outsiders were included. This is in perfect agreement with the words of the prophets: After this, I'm coming back; I'll rebuild David's ruined house; I'll put all the pieces together again; I'll make it look like new So outsiders who seek will find, so they'll have a place to come to, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing. "God said it and now he's doing it. It's no afterthought; he's always known he would do this
Acts 15: (Amp) 17So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,
Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord— even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,
Acts 15: 17 (NIRV) Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.' —(Amos 9:11,12)
Now if the rest of men may seek the Lord, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing “, “ all the Gentiles , the “remainder of man kind are destroyed as you proclaim in the Lake of Devine Purging (Lake of Fire); then what about this promise.
 

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I believe in the Elect and the great multitude and it doesn't matter which group you are or think you are, only those who trust in Jesus will overcome.

John 15
The Vine and the Branches
1"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[The Greek for prunes also means cleans.] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

Romans 11:
17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.


It is far more then trusting in Jesus; overcomers

There is a difference between those who will rule ad reign and tthose who will not.

There are two groups of believers here not one, the great multitude are not the overcomers and they are believers and trust in Jesus.


Thus to them it is said: "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

Rev. 2:7. "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

Rev. 2:11. "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."

Rev. 2:17. "He that overcometh and keepeth My works to the end, to him will I give/wnw over the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessel of the potter shall they be broken to shivers even as I received of My Father, and I will give him the morning star."

Rev. 2:26-28. "He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name."

Rev. 3:12, 13. "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne even as I overcame and am set down with My Father in His throne."

Rev. 3:21. "He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
 

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Don
Exactly! Upon the quickening, we are made alive. This is at the moment of our salvation. What's so hard to understand about that?

I agree with this if you are seaking of basic salvation.
 

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It is far more then trusting in Jesus; overcomers

There is a difference between those who will rule ad reign and tthose who will not.

There are two groups of believers here not one, the great multitude are not the overcomers and they are believers and trust in Jesus.


Thus to them it is said: "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

Rev. 2:7. "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

Rev. 2:11. "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."

Rev. 2:17. "He that overcometh and keepeth My works to the end, to him will I give/wnw over the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessel of the potter shall they be broken to shivers even as I received of My Father, and I will give him the morning star."

Rev. 2:26-28. "He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name."

Rev. 3:12, 13. "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne even as I overcame and am set down with My Father in His throne."

Rev. 3:21. "He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

1 Corinthians 15:

24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he "has put everything under his feet."[Psalm 8:6] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Revelation 4:
10the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:
11"You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being."

The elect are the messengers God uses to reach the great multitude. How can you reach the dead being dead without the great physician who can raise the dead. When we are placed under the feet of Jesus then He will be under God and God will rule and reign.
 
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Don

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I agree with this if you are seaking of basic salvation.
"Basic salvation"?

So if saved, are you saying I should be aspiring to a different level of salvation?

Most of us can't get past simple salvation; that's why the apostle Paul cut it down to its most simplistic form in Romans 10:9-13.
 
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