Fundamentalists least educated

[DHK]

I am the only one who has cited any facts on this whole thread.

Then you haven't read the whole thread.

Here are some other facts to chew on that your statisticians and pollsters would not take into account. Those are the type of "facts" that you spit out at us.

If we have to discuss about quality of education in home schooling google in top 10 personalities who were homeschooled you can find great names. From yester centuries American President Abraham Lincoln, who we all know had read only the Bible and the Aesop’s Fable, to Man who is counted next to Newton who made significant change in physics (science) Albert Einstein, to Andrew Carnegie, the builder of Carnegie Corporation and Carnegie Mellon University, to the present American tennis superstars Venus and Serena Williams, and to closer home in India Nobel laureate Gurdev Rabindranath Tagore, were all products of home Schooling. That was a simple find of what quality of education home schooling could give to few pupils.


Look at the new age and you will find many homeschooling their kids. Famous Hollywood movie pairs Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, John Travalto and Kelly Preston, and famous Hollywood Movie star Tom Cruise to name a few are homeschooling their kids. While Pitt-Jolie have opted to homeschool their oldest child, Travalto-Preston have opted for their child with special needs, and Cruise has opted to homeschool all his children. In India tradition of homeschooling was prevalent among the feudal class and we had great leaders who were homeschooled but contributed immensely to the national freedom movement and social reformation. Then we have the self–taught which could be counted as a practice of home schooling.

http://elearning.extraminds.com/Article/Is-Home-Schooling-Improving-the-Quality-of-Education

As I already said, it is unlikely that Barna took into consideration the entire home-schooling movement. I home-schooled all my children. I vowed that I would never put them into the public school system. But I am an educator, and that is another story.

 

[Revmitchell]

As I already said, it is unlikely that Barna took into consideration the entire home-schooling movement.

Barna's entire goal is to tear down the traditional church. He and whatshisname viola love nothing more. They are part of the house church movement and they despise the traditional church. Barna is not credible.

 

[Luke2427]

Then you haven't read the whole thread.

Here are some other facts to chew on that your statisticians and pollsters would not take into account. Those are the type of "facts" that you spit out at us.
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http://elearning.extraminds.com/Article/Is-Home-Schooling-Improving-the-Quality-of-Education

As I already said, it is unlikely that Barna took into consideration the entire home-schooling movement. I home-schooled all my children. I vowed that I would never put them into the public school system. But I am an educator, and that is another story.

It is unlikely that these few home school degrees are statistically significant.

 

[Sapper Woody]

It is unlikely that these few home school degrees are statistically significant.

Problem is, they are. I have been in several large fundamental baptist churches where the overwhelming majority of kids were homeschooled. I, and my 3 siblings were, as well as at least 14 cousins. A lot of my good friends (at least 15 I can name) were as well. It's a huge movement, and I daresay it's most prevalent in the fundamental group that you say is least represented in the academic field.

Edited to add: I would guess that you could also add in all the kids who graduated from a church-school as well.

 

[OldRegular]

righteousdude2

I believe there are some who because of "so-called advanced education" come to believe they are smarter than God. Bishop Pike is a prime example of this in my opinion. He apparently died in the Judean wilderness looking for the historical Jesus.

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Below are examples of intellectualism gone wild!

In the late 1960’s, California’s progressive and notoriously heretical , Episcopal Bishop James Pike, who often scoffed at and derided the fundamental doctrines and creeds of the Christian faith (the Trinity, the virgin birth, original sin and the uniqueness Jesus Christ as the Incarnate Son of God), found himself floundering in hopeless despondency after the suicide of his son. Unmoored from the word of God, he drifted farther and farther away from orthodoxy until, in utter disbelief, he began wandering into the barren demonic wilderness of sorcery and the occult. He consulted mediums and spiritualists and attended séances in an attempt to communicate with the dead and to find solace and purpose. It was during this period of time that Bishop Pike made this honest and tragically revealing admission to Christian theologian, Francis Schaeffer:

“When I turned from being agnostic, I went to Union Theological Seminary eager for and expecting bread; but when I graduated, all that it left me was a handful of pebbles.”

A short time after this admission, in 1969, while working on a project in the Holy Land to follow in the footsteps of the “historical Jesus”, Bishop Pike and his third wife (Diane)… ill-advisedly drove into the Judean Desert wilderness to do research and gather information. While there, however, the couple’s car got stuck in a dry ravine. Mrs. Pike walked out for help, but when she and others were able to return to the car a few days later, they discovered that her husband had wandered away from the car into the desert where… among the rocks, the stones and the pebbles… he died.

http://www.withoutexcusecreations.n...11/7/dead-stones-instead-of-living-bread.html

Every year, with predictable regularity (especially around Easter and Christmas time), skeptical theologians, Bible “Scholars” and Bible “experts”, seek out and then step into the limelight to announce to the world that they have made some new discovery about who Jesus really was, what Jesus really said… (or, at least what Jesus surely meant to say),… and what Jesus really did. Like fads, their speculative Bible theories come, and, like fads, their speculative Bible theories go. As one observer noted, “If liberal commentators believe anything, it’s that the Bible can mean everything except exactly what it says.”

This has come to be known as “de-mythologizing” the scriptures.

This is nothing new, of course. Like the woe-full and misdirected scribes (one of the groups that so vehemently opposed Jesus and the words He spoke during his earthly ministry), these present-day scholars… religion experts dedicated to Biblical “higher criticism”… pore over the ancient texts in a desperate attempt to corral scripture’s spiritual Truth into their earthbound box of human understanding. With true Pharisaical zeal, the tenured, ivory-towered elite , like their ancient predecessors, have once again dedicated themselves to the task of hammering the sharp, double-edged sword of God’s powerful, prophetic and living Word into the inanimate mold of a blunted butter knife of doubt and speculation. By doing so, the highly self-esteemed “de-mythologizers” confirm and give credence to something theologian R.C. Sproul once observed:

“It is much easier and far less painful to criticize the Bible than to allow the Bible to criticize us.”

Nevertheless, true to form, the tenured class of professional Doubting Thomases, those sophisticated men and women of letters, proudly continue to refashion, repackage and recycle age-old heresies for contemporary consumption, believing as they do that the Bible is man’s word about God rather than God’s word about man.

Bottom line: their ”faith” is in their own intellect… not in the Word of God.

As author and theologian, J.B. Phillips put it: “By the time they [liberal theologians] have finished with their dissection of the New Testament and explaining away as ‘myth’ all that they find disquieting or unacceptable to the modern mind, the Christian way of life is little more than humanism with a slight tinge of religion.”

Ahhh… yes, but it feels so good… (in a post-modern, deconstructed sort of way.)

http://www.withoutexcusecreations.n...11/7/dead-stones-instead-of-living-bread.html

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I am not opposed to education that is useful. I have a masters degree in engineering and had plans to get my doctors degree but I believe God decided otherwise.

 

[DHK]

It is unlikely that these few home school degrees are statistically significant.

What it does is this: it turns your data upside down and on its head.
The majority of fundamentalists will either home-school or put their children in a Christian school. Most fundamentalists have a "anything but public school" attitude. They don't want the humanistic, secularized education promoted by the atheists of this nation. They don't want the drug culture, the sex-saturated culture, pro-abortion taught curricula, etc. They want their children to be taught morals in line with the Bible, and their children to be taught in an environment that is safe and Godly. Most are opposed to what the public school stands for.

To say then, that these statistics don't make a difference is absurd. They are the difference. You are contending that the more conservative, the more fundamental a person is, the less educated they are. You are trying to prove this through some skewed statistics. You are wrong.

Those "fundamentalists" keep their children out of the public school system. Obviously the data is skewed, and your conclusions are way off base.

 

[Luke2427]

Problem is, they are. I have been in several large fundamental baptist churches where the overwhelming majority of kids were homeschooled. I, and my 3 siblings were, as well as at least 14 cousins. A lot of my good friends (at least 15 I can name) were as well. It's a huge movement, and I daresay it's most prevalent in the fundamental group that you say is least represented in the academic field.

Edited to add: I would guess that you could also add in all the kids who graduated from a church-school as well.

300 million americans

 

[righteousdude2]

Says who?

It is unlikely that these few home school degrees are statistically significant.

Says you???

And what makes you an authority Luke?

With the garbage being taught in our public schools today, I would have to say that Christian schools, and or, home schooling, where the option of Christian schools don't exist [due to money or locale], is a viable, and good option! Stats have already shown that home-schooled and Christian schools put out well prepared kids.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/homeschooled-students-wel_n_1562425.html

https://www.home-school.com/news/homeschool-vs-public-school.php

http://www.onlinecollege.org/2011/09/13/15-key-facts-about-homeschooled-kids-in-college/

 

[righteousdude2]

Thanks....

righteousdude2

I believe there are some who because of "so-called advanced education" come to believe they are smarter than God. Bishop Pike is a prime example of this in my opinion. He apparently died in the Judean wilderness looking for the historical Jesus.

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Below are examples of intellectualism gone wild!





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I am not opposed to education that is useful. I have a masters degree in engineering and had plans to get my doctors degree but I believe God decided otherwise.

...I do think that is what I was saying! But, thanks for the walk down memory lane! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[John of Japan]

Then you haven't read the whole thread.

Here are some other facts to chew on that your statisticians and pollsters would not take into account. Those are the type of "facts" that you spit out at us.
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http://elearning.extraminds.com/Article/Is-Home-Schooling-Improving-the-Quality-of-Education

As I already said, it is unlikely that Barna took into consideration the entire home-schooling movement. I home-schooled all my children. I vowed that I would never put them into the public school system. But I am an educator, and that is another story.

My wife is not an educator, but she did almost all of the home-schooling of our only child. I just helped out with the PE and as principal. We had an excellent program though, and held our son to high standards. Paul has since earned his BA, MA, MDiv and PhD, all regionally accredited. I guess home-schooling held him back! :laugh:

Far more important than the degrees, though, is that our son is actively serving God in his local church (any pastor would be envious), and living a life consecrated to Jesus Christ.

Forgive a proud parent for boasting a little--but I think this does contribute to the discussion.

 

[Sapper Woody]

300 million americans

But we're not talking about ALL Americans, are we? We're talking only the fundamentalists. Classic Chewbacca defense.

We're talking about a much, much smaller number. And taking the perceived uneducation, and comparing it with the percentage of children whose parents refuse to allow them to attend a public, or even private non christian school.

 

[JamesL]

My wife is not an educator, but she did almost all of the home-schooling of our only child. I just helped out with the PE and as principal. We had an excellent program though, and held our son to high standards. Paul has since earned his BA, MA, MDiv and PhD, all regionally accredited. I guess home-schooling held him back! :laugh:

Far more important than the degrees, though, is that our son is actively serving God in his local church (any pastor would be envious), and living a life consecrated to Jesus Christ.

Forgive a proud parent for boasting a little--but I think this does contribute to the discussion.

I think it's a worthwhile contribution. I have a 7 year old son who attends a small Christian school. The academic standard there is very high. Persistent scores lower than 87% are grounds for expulsion.

But along the same lines as yours, much more important is his life in Christ.

He makes me so proud. Numerous times during "free time", when they are allowed to play games, color, take a nap, etc., he's trying to round up three or four classmates to have "bible study"

It usually consists of him reading one of his favorite bible stories, then looking to apply how it demonstrates how much we can trust God every day. It's more like a sermon - lol

I absolutely care about his academics, but not nearly as much as I do his faith. The two are not synonymous

 

[prophet]

I have to agree with what is posted here. According to the government, I have a GED, as I graduated homeschooled. In my 10th grade year, I took a placement test and was graded at or above college levels in math, science, and reading comprehension/vocabulary.

I am not puffing myself up. "But for the grace of God." My point is, I am above average intelligence, yet would be thrown into the category of those who did not receive a HS diploma. So the report is definitely skewed.

I Second that.
When I took the G.E.D. test ( because the State refused to acknowledge my Bible courses as credits, I had to take it), I received a scholarship for joining the "Albert Einstein Club" scoring in the top 1% of those who take the test.

When I enlisted, I scored the highest score on the ASVAB, that to that date had ever been recorded at the Chicago MEPS Center.

But, according to P.U. polling, I am uneducated.

BTW, my Father has a Másters, and my Mother has an earned PhD in Molecular Biology, and is the director of Lab Studies at a Med school...so they should offset me.

Education is an idol, a false god. One's ed. is only as good as what one does with it.
Ask Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, and others, who would show up in this poll as "uneducated", what school is. School is the enemy of success, not the enablement of it.

Let's talk Psych 101, and it's design purpose, shall we? All who seek an education from this present World, must study their humanistic religión, no? Is doubt cast on anything Godly, in this class? Is all parental and Theological Authority challenged and maligned, or not?

 

[John of Japan]

I think it's a worthwhile contribution. I have a 7 year old son who attends a small Christian school. The academic standard there is very high. Persistent scores lower than 87% are grounds for expulsion.

But along the same lines as yours, much more important is his life in Christ.

He makes me so proud. Numerous times during "free time", when they are allowed to play games, color, take a nap, etc., he's trying to round up three or four classmates to have "bible study"

It usually consists of him reading one of his favorite bible stories, then looking to apply how it demonstrates how much we can trust God every day. It's more like a sermon - lol

I absolutely care about his academics, but not nearly as much as I do his faith. The two are not synonymous

Amen, well said! And good for your boy. :thumbs:

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

It is unlikely that these few home school degrees are statistically significant.

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300 million americans

Statistics from the National Center of Educational Statistics

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=91

From the link:

In 2007, the number of homeschooled students was about 1.5 million, an increase from 850,000 in 1999 and 1.1 million in 2003. The percentage of the school-age population that was homeschooled increased from 1.7 percent in 1999 to 2.9 percent in 2007.

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Parents give many different reasons for homeschooling their children. In 2007, the most common reason parents gave as the most important was a desire to provide religious or moral instruction (36 percent of students).

The number of homeschooled children is clearly statistically relevant and is growing. The 2013 report shows 1,770,000 American children were homeschooled in 2013, 3.4% of school age children. Many homeschool advocate groups argue that the actual number is much higher as these numbers only count students in registered homeschool programs.

So we are talking about at least 3.4% of our children.

According to the Religious Landscape Survey (A Pew Report Luke), you can view it here:

http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/affiliations-all-traditions.pdf

According to Pew, IFB churches make up only 2.5% of Americans. So we are concentrating much of that 3.4% of our students in that 2.5% of our population.

Yes, that is significant.

 

[just-want-peace]

Education is like a rifle, neither good nor bad in itself.
A rifle can be used to provide food for a family, protect that same family, OR, used by a criminal to wreak evil on innocents.

Same with education. It can be an asset and blessing to let a person get into the deeper meanings of scripture, OR, as is true in too many cases, become a self pride issue that makes one feel superior to those not as sufficiently (?) educated.

Not every family needs a rifle for food, protection etc. AND not everybody needs advanced education to understand God's word.
His word is sufficiently simple for most to understand to gain salvation and live a godly moral life, and "education", WHEN PROPERLY APPLIED, can lead to a deeper and fuller grasp of the knowledge of Him.

WHEN NOT PROPERLY APPLIED, -- well it's sorta like using salt instead of sugar when making fudge - a major disaster. And unfortunately some let their education go to their heads and begin to " ---- think more highly of themselves than they ought to think"!:tear::tear:

 

[quantumfaith]

I teach in a Public Institution, and I most certainly do not teach garbage.

 

[Aaron]

If you teach half the ideas you claim to espouse here, you're teaching garbage.

 

[Aaron]

Luke is embarrassed by God's elect. He seeks the honor and praise of atheists and liberals, and thinks that appearing honorable to them, he will win some. (I'm being charitable. It's more likely pride maintenance.)

Now go back and re-read all Luke's arguments from that point of view, and you'll understand why he says what he says and the spirit in which it is said.

 

[quantumfaith]

If you teach half the ideas you claim to espouse here, you're teaching garbage.

Garbage like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Check your glasses.