Futurists cannot prove their assertions.

[asterisktom]

The context shows what the meaning of οἰκουμένη is in any given text.
Luke 4:5. 'Then the devil, taking Him up onto a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.'
Hebrews 2:5. 'For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels.'
It is a huge stretch to suggest that either of these refer to the Roman Empire.

Likewise, Matthew 24:14. 'And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.' It is an even bigger stretch to suggest that 'all nations' refers only to those within the Roman Empire, unless you have already somehow decided that the 'end' happened in AD 70 and that you have to shoehorn every text to fit your erroneous doctrine.

I believe the shoehorning is done by you. You have dozens of clear statements from our Lord and His inspired disciples that "all these things" Matt 24 would be fulfilled in that generation.It is that preponderance of evidence that guides me in my interpretation of the passages above.

I believe if a new Christian, reading a Bible for the first time, if he were not taught by modern culture to automatically disregard it, would come to the same conclusion.

The many verses ought to guide our understanding of the few that seem - only seem - to teach otherwise.

 

[Rob_BW]

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Arr you prophesying a literal 6 hours?

 

[robycop3]

You are so funny.

Futurism and Preterism both encourage Catholicism, why do you think that Jesuits promoted them. The only one that Rome doesn't like is Historicism. The reformers quite correctly identified the pope as Antichrist. The preterist and futurist views werfe invented by the RCC to counter that. It is very sad that so many like you have been brainwashed into accepting them

I don't disagree that many popes have been antichrist, but NONE has been the PENULTIMATE antichrist. (Satan is the ultimate AC.) He will be one man, not a whole line of them.

Now, the "beast from the earth" in Rev. 13 might well be a pope or other high RC official, but remember, the beast himself won't recognize ANY other god or religion.

 

[robycop3]

I believe the shoehorning is done by you. You have dozens of clear statements from our Lord and His inspired disciples that "all these things" Matt 24 would be fulfilled in that generation.It is that preponderance of evidence that guides me in my interpretation of the passages above.

I believe if a new Christian, reading a Bible for the first time, if he were not taught by modern culture to automatically disregard it, would come to the same conclusion.

The many verses ought to guide our understanding of the few that seem - only seem - to teach otherwise.

Again, your big prob is that "all these things " have NOT yet been fulfilled! NO GETTING AROUND THAT FACT ! !

Now, we KNOW every word Jesus spoke & had recorded for us is true. Therefore, you must look at what He actually MEANT. Remember,"genea" can mean several things in English, including 'a people'. Again, the FACT those things have NOT yet all happened,shows Jesus meant something else besides the body of all the people alive when He said those words. Trying to invent stuff to match Jesus' prophecies, or reducing "inconvenient" verses to "symbolic" status is, I believe, what Martin meant by "shoehorning".

Again, the proof is simple - Just show us from history when those events occurred, and who performed them!

Who was the 'beast'? The false prophet ?

What did the marka the beast look like, and what was the name of the person(s) issuing it?

When was all green grass burnt up?

When did all life in the sea die?

Simply SHOW US FROM HISTORY when those events occurred, and who performed them, & I'll believe preterism!

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I believe the shoehorning is done by you. You have dozens of clear statements from our Lord and His inspired disciples that "all these things" Matt 24 would be fulfilled in that generation.It is that preponderance of evidence that guides me in my interpretation of the passages above.

I believe if a new Christian, reading a Bible for the first time, if he were not taught by modern culture to automatically disregard it, would come to the same conclusion.

I am not a futurist any more than I am a preterist and therefore have no problem whatsoever with "all these things."

The many verses ought to guide our understanding of the few that seem - only seem - to teach otherwise.

Indeed they should, as also should common sense. Wars, rumours of wars, earthquakes, famines, epidemics, persecutions, false prophets etc. (Matthew 24:7-11) have continued ever since AD 70, just as they did before, 'but the end is not yet.'

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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