GAP: Theory or Fact

Here we agree.

 

Science and the Bible ARE harmonious. Maybe you meant to ask am I trying to make a scheme, specifically the GAP doctrine and its astronomical and geological observations and findings, fit the Bible. No, I am discovering in the Bible all the truth I can and then interpreting and understanding what I find in my environment in light of that.

 

It is a wrong observation and reckless to use such absolute language...the "only ones".

 

I don't think that can be correct, Amy. As I mentioned on another thread, Millennial Exclusion is a doctrine which doesn't (so far) seem to have reached the UK (unless under another name). But there are plenty of people here who believe in the so-called "gap theory". (Not me, by the way).

 

To those who hold strictly to a 6 day creation, did God create the Heavens complete with all of the heavenly host at the same instant that He created the earth?

 

That is good and that is what I'm doing and I guess we are not of the same view. Keep the study up of His Word and you will do well and be used by Him as He wants! When I was educated in the Gap Theory most of the teachers of it were Bible teachers. Even the Scofield has in its notes," Relegate fossils to the primitive creation, and no conflict of science with the Genesis cosmogony remains."

I'm sure there might be a few but I don't know of any real geologist or astronomers who would support the Gap Theory.

Many men used greatly by God held that view and many used by God greatly have rejected the Gap Theory and many never had that view.

By the way when I say trying to harmonize, I mean make it fit, anything that is in the Scriptures about science will fit with true science and man does not have to try and make it fit.

 

As far as I am aware, we are not told. But Exodus 20.11 says:

For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.​

Whether or not it was the same instant, they were both created on the first day.

 

I don't go along with the Gap Theory to day, but some of the men who have helped me in my study of His Word did agree with the gap. Some of the finest Christian men I every knew and they were not ME guys. I would say your observation is wrong or your circle is very small.

 

The doctrine of Christian Accountability was there before it was here.

 

So where do you place the fall of Lucifer in time?

 

To all who have been offended, I humbly apologize. I did not mean all ME people worldwide, I only meant those who post on this board. It was just an observation and I am probably too sensitive. It seems that the ME doctrine creeps into many discussions these days on this board and I am probably being paranoid because I am greatly offended by the ME beliefs.
Please forgive me of any offense.

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Sorry, Lacy, you have misunderstood me (my fault probably - sorry). I would say that the doctrine of Christian accountability reached what is now the UK when the gospel did. What I was referring to before was that specific doctrine that seems to be known as ME, that says that some Christians when they die will go to a place of punishment for 1000 years. It is that particular doctrine that I have not come across here. (I couldn't find it in the link you provided about Robert Govett, either).

 

As the bible doesn't tell us (at least as far as I know), I don't try to place it at a particular time. Perhaps you know a scripture which does provide that information.

 

It is impossible to speak definitively on this subject since there is nothing in the Bible to support it, one way or another.

God is silent. It is a mystery.
Part of the problem is the question "When did Time begin"
And in our feeble minds, it is hard to fathom eternity.

We may ask "What did God do BEFORE creating the universe?" But if time was created the same time the universe was created, there was nothing BEFORE, since even the word "before" requires time.

All that existed was, is, will be eternity...apart from the universe.

So looking to the past from our viewpoint, when was the universe created?...

All God says is "In the beginning" The beginning of what? Time.

Also, what if the speed of light is slowing down?

 

Why does each thread turn into an ME debate?

If ME is true then Jesus will be quite alone in the 1000 year kingdom since scripture says:

Mt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mr 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Besides I used to be quite fond of ME until I upgraded to XP:laugh:

 

Well said!!!

 

There is no disharmonization between science fact (observable and not theory) and Scriptures.

BTW, I got this information confirmed by a professor at a university in Israel, although I heard it many years ago. The grammar of the first verses does not require a gap. It permits a gap. (It's not really a gap, so much as a continuation, but "gap" is easier.) But, the grammar either requires a gap, or requires the earth to have been created in vain, which contradicts other passages.

Also, there are two different words employed throughout the passage (which I don't have time to list at this moment), one of which means "create from nothing" (God created the heavens and the earth) and one which means create from something already existing.

So, you have pre-adamic earth permitted by the Scriptures (dinosaurs, etc.), but pre-adamic action required (the falling of the angels). [an interesting sidenote here: study when fish were created, but look at the Hebrew not the English.]

I will have to finish this discussion later. I have to make a 5 hour drive to make an appearance at an art show, and won't return until early Monday morning.