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Gap Theory

Bayouparson

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Do not put words in my mouth. If you have a reading comprehension work on it and come back. As far as John Phillips goes I have his commentary on Genesis and he does not hold to the gap theory.

I apologize for suggesting you said they were dumb, my mistake. I should not have made that assumption. I too have John Phillips commentary and I misstated that he held to the Gap. He may or may not but he does not summarily dismiss the position as some do. In fact he says, "Some believe verse 2 describes the primitive state of matter when it was first created. Others (including Franz Delitzsch, that greatest of all Hebrew scholars) believes the verse describes a later catastrophe that overtook the original creation. The word was can be transltaed 'became' - 'the land had become waste and void.' Support fo that view is seen in Isaiah 45:18 where it is stated that God did not make the earth waste and void." (Footnote to this statement says, "The chaos of the earth was possibly one of the results of Lucifer's fall (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19)" (Exploring Genesis, page 39). If you have his commentary read the next paragraph on page 40 (top of the page). He does not denigrate those who hold to the Gap. Maybe that should be held as the standard of debate. There are those who hold this position that are genuine Bible believers. I for one want to know what they believe, in case I may be missing something God said.
 

Winman

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I have had a few discussions with those who hold the Gap Theory (I do not), and the passage I have seen most widely used to support their theory is Job 38 (there are more).

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Gapper's strongly argue that verse 7 proves that Satan and the other angels were present when the Earth was created in Gen 1:1

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This is a good argument, but it may be misunderstood. Notice Job 38:4-7 mentions God laying the foundations, laying the measures of, stretching a line upon it, fastening the foundations thereof, and laying the corner stone.

I believe all this took place after the first day. For on the first day the Earth was declared "without form" and "void". I believe it did not have these foundations yet, was not measured, no corner stone.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

I personally believe all this took place on the third day starting with Gen 1:9.

Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.


Now, up until this point the Earth was void and without form. To me, the term without form rules out any foundations or corner stone. A foundation and a corner stone have form. And, if it had foundations and a corner stone it would not be void.

There are other scriptures Gapper's use, I will address them later. I think this is a good place to start because it is the foundation of the Gapper's belief.
 
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Revmitchell

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I apologize for suggesting you said they were dumb, my mistake. I should not have made that assumption. I too have John Phillips commentary and I misstated that he held to the Gap. He may or may not but he does not summarily dismiss the position as some do. In fact he says, "Some believe verse 2 describes the primitive state of matter when it was first created. Others (including Franz Delitzsch, that greatest of all Hebrew scholars) believes the verse describes a later catastrophe that overtook the original creation. The word was can be transltaed 'became' - 'the land had become waste and void.' Support fo that view is seen in Isaiah 45:18 where it is stated that God did not make the earth waste and void." (Footnote to this statement says, "The chaos of the earth was possibly one of the results of Lucifer's fall (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19)" (Exploring Genesis, page 39). If you have his commentary read the next paragraph on page 40 (top of the page). He does not denigrate those who hold to the Gap. Maybe that should be held as the standard of debate. There are those who hold this position that are genuine Bible believers. I for one want to know what they believe, in case I may be missing something God said.

Apology accepted. He presents the Gap Theory as one of several theories. I have read what the Gap Theorists say time and again. When I addressed you I addressed your defense of them without being able to delineate the basis for their position. If you want to know what they believe go find out, but before defending them you need to know why they do.
 
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Revmitchell

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Just curious. Is the gap theory related in any way to dispensationalism? Is it a necessary component?


I am not a typical dispensationalist. I do not try to divide history in to 7 or 8 dispensations. It is a bit much. But I do not know any dispensationalists who hold to the gap Theory. It is not common and no it is not a necessary component.
 
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Winman

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I apologize for suggesting you said they were dumb, my mistake. I should not have made that assumption. I too have John Phillips commentary and I misstated that he held to the Gap. He may or may not but he does not summarily dismiss the position as some do. In fact he says, "Some believe verse 2 describes the primitive state of matter when it was first created. Others (including Franz Delitzsch, that greatest of all Hebrew scholars) believes the verse describes a later catastrophe that overtook the original creation. The word was can be transltaed 'became' - 'the land had become waste and void.' Support fo that view is seen in Isaiah 45:18 where it is stated that God did not make the earth waste and void." (Footnote to this statement says, "The chaos of the earth was possibly one of the results of Lucifer's fall (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19)" (Exploring Genesis, page 39). If you have his commentary read the next paragraph on page 40 (top of the page). He does not denigrate those who hold to the Gap. Maybe that should be held as the standard of debate. There are those who hold this position that are genuine Bible believers. I for one want to know what they believe, in case I may be missing something God said.

If you read Ezekiel 28 carefully, you will see Satan will be cast down in the future, not in the past as Gapper's believe.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


It is clear these verses are speaking of Satan, because there were only four who were in Eden, the Lord, Adam, Eve, and the serpent (Satan).

But note in every case that Satan's punishments are spoken of as future. Many believe Satan has been cast down to Earth, but the scriptures are clear that Satan still has access to heaven.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

I personally believe Satan has not yet been cast down as God promised in Eze 28 and shall not be until the events of Revelations 12 occur.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


So, I believe that at this very time Satan still has access to heaven and is accusing us before God.
 
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Allan

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Just curious. Is the gap theory related in any way to dispensationalism? Is it a necessary component?

'Some' early dispensationalists did hold to the gap theory (like I post ealier Scofield held to it) however it had nothing to do with dispensationism itself and therefore was not considered a component. :thumbs:
 

preachinjesus

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The Gap theory is just one of a dozen or so possible interpretations of Genesis 1 & 2.

I am always remembering that while I hold to the belief that if God wanted to do it in 6 days He could, that many theologians have disagreed and remained faithful to Christian orthodoxy. One theologian whom I supremely respect, Augustine, never had an official interpretation of Genesis. He approached it from a couple of different perspectives.

Maybe the big idea is that while the Bible isn't a science book and doesn't get into the deeper specifics of creation it does give us a complete picture that God is the sole Creator. :)
 

Winman

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The Gap theory is just one of a dozen or so possible interpretations of Genesis 1 & 2.

I am not sure what you mean by "possible" interpretations, but there is only one correct interpretation for this scripture or any other.

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

We can't just decide what scripture means. It means what God says it means. Our duty is to study and ask God for wisdom to understand the scriptures.

2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

kyredneck

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Interesting many who insist there cannot be a gap in Gen. 1 because the bible doesn't say so, have no problem inserting a gap in Daniel 9.

OUTSTANDING point. Yes, many don't have a problem inserting a gap to make their eschatology work.......
 

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You guys are being silly, if you hold to the gap theory you are an evolutionist. Period. it is an accommodation to the presupposition of scientists that falsely assert the age of the earth to be billions of years old. Hence evolution. You cannot divorce the gap theory from evolution under any circumstance. It is ridiculous to even try.

Here, here now.... I am not an evolutionist.. but I do see the possibility of there being a Gap.

There are many, many different theories concerning what went on before 6000 yrs ago.

And I do know one thing... God didn't sit around twiddleing his thumbs!...

Anything we can imagine is just that... imagination. We can't prove anything, because God saw fit to not write it down.

Here is my theory... It is only a theory... and don't call me an evolutionist.. because I believe in a 7 day literal creation...It's just that the 7 days start after a gap.

OK here it goes..
In the beginning God created Heaven and Earth...

I believe, or theorize.. belief is too strong a word here, because I would never disassociate with someone over it... or die trying to prove it.. but I theorize that the Earth could have been the home for the Angels before he recreated it.

The angels fell.. some did... Satan caused a rebellion.. God wiped the earth clean to start over with humans.

Again, this is just my theory.. I will not fight for it.. I will not proclaim it as gospel.. It is just me thinking.. and wondering what God did before he created Humans...

I won't even be back on BB for over a week because my MIL is having surgery for breast cancer, and I won't have the chance.. so...

Argue away... LOL :laugh: :wavey:
 

Winman

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OUTSTANDING point. Yes, many don't have a problem inserting a gap to make their eschatology work.......


There is a big difference. In Genesis we are given the creation account day by day. And the scriptures clearly say God created the heavens and the earth in six days.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

But the seventy weeks of Daniel are not presented like this. They are seperated into 7 weeks, then, 62 weeks, then 1 week.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be
poured upon the desolate.

The scriptures themselves clearly show the 70 weeks of Daniel divided into three seperate divisions of 7 weeks, 62 weeks, and 1 week.

You cannot use Daniel 9 to argue there was a gap in the 6 day creation account of Genesis.
 
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kyredneck

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Arthur W. Pink on Genisis 1:1 & 2

Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 4:6

For those of you who enjoy types and similes from scripture, I highly recommend 'Gleanings In Genesis', by Arthur W. Pink, not only on the 'gap theory', but for many other fascinating, edifying types to be found in Genesis. Pink is a master of analogy from scripture.

Since reading Pink on it, I've come to agreement on his view, and that is that there was indeed a gap between 1:1 and 1:2 (and it's definitely not from a Darwinian standpoint) . This 'gap' fits nicely into the implied analogy of 2 Cor 4:6, as will be seen (The New is in the Old concealed, the Old is in the New revealed).

Some excerpts from Chapter One, 'Creation and Restoration', 'Gleanings In Genesis', by Arthur Pink:

http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Gleanings_Genesis/genesis_01.htm


“.....It is now over a hundred years ago since Dr. Chalmers called attention to the fact that the word "was" in Genesis 1:2 should be translated "became," and that between the first two verses of Genesis 1 some terrible catastrophe must have intervened. That this catastrophe may have been connected with the apostasy of Satan, seems more than likely....

What is found in the remainder of Genesis 1 refers not to the primitive creation but to the restoration of that which had fallen into ruins...........

......We have little patience with those who labor to show that the teaching of this chapter is in harmony with modern science.......

Turning from the literal meaning of what is before us in this opening chapter of Holy Writ, we would dwell now upon that which has often been pointed out by others, namely, the typical significance of these verses.........

1. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." As we have already observed, the original condition of this primary creation was vastly different from the state in which we view it in the next verse.........

So, too, in the beginning of this world’s history, God also created man, and vastly different was his original state from that into which he subsequently fell.........

2. "And the earth became without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." Some fearful catastrophe must have occurred. Sin had dared to raise its horrid head against God, and with sin came death and all its attendant evils. The fair handiwork of the Creator was blasted.........

No less tragic was that which befell the first man. Like the original earth before him, Adam remained not in his primitive state. A dreadful catastrophe occurred. Description of this is given in Genesis 3. By one man sin entered the world, and death by sin.........

3. "And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Here is where hope begins to dawn. God did not abandon the primitive earth, which had become a ruin. It would not have been surprising, though, if He had. Why should God trouble any further about that which lay under His righteous judgment? Why should He condescend to notice that which was now a desolate waste? Why, indeed. But here was where sovereign mercy intervened. He had gracious designs toward that formless void. He purposed to resurrect it, restore it, refructify it......

The analogy holds good in the spiritual realm. Fallen man had no more claim upon God’s notice than had the desolated primitive earth. When Adam rebelled against his Maker, he merited naught but unsparing judgment at His hands, and if God was inclined to have any further regard for him, it was due alone to sovereign mercy. What wonder if God had left man to the doom he so richly deserved! But no. God had designs of grace toward him. From the wreck and ruin of fallen humanity, God purposed to bring forth a "new creation." Out of the death of sin, God is now bringing on to resurrection ground all who are united to Christ His Son. And the first thing in bringing this about is the activity of the Holy Spirit. And this, again, is a prime necessity. Fallen man, in himself, is as helpless as was the fallen earth. The sinner can no more regenerate himself than could the ruined earth lift itself out of the deep which rested upon it. The new creation, like the restoration of the material creation, must be accomplished by God Himself [emphasis mine].

4. "And God said, let there be light, and there was light." First the activity of the Holy Spirit and now the spoken Word. No less than ten times in this chapter do we read "and God said." God might have refashioned and refurnished the earth without speaking at all, but He did not. Instead, He plainly intimated from the beginning, that His purpose was to be worked out and His counsels accomplished by the Word. The first thing God said was, "Let there be light," and we read, "There was light." Light, then, came in, was produced by, the Word. And then we are told, "God saw the light, that it was good."

It is so in the work of the new creation. These two are inseparably joined together—the activity of the Spirit and the ministry of the Word of God. It is by these the man in Christ became a new creation. And the initial step toward this was the entrance of light into the darkness. The entrance of sin has blinded the eyes of man’s heart and has darkened his understanding. So much so that, left to himself, man is unable to perceive the awfulness of his condition, the condemnation which rests upon him, or the peril in which he stands. Unable to see his urgent need of a Savior, he is, spiritually, in total darkness. And neither the affections of his heart, the reasonings of his mind, nor the power of his will, can dissipate this awful darkness. Light comes to the sinner through the Word applied by the Spirit. As it is written, "the entrance of Thy words giveth light" (Ps. 119:130). This marks the initial step of God’s work in the soul. Just as the shining of the light in Genesis I made manifest the desolation upon which it shone, so the entrance of God’s Word into the human heart reveals the awful ruin which sin has wrought.

5. "And God divided the light from the darkness." Hebrews 4:12 tells us, the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." This is not a figurative expression but, we believe, a statement of literal fact. Man is a tripartite being, made up of "spirit and soul and body" (1 Thess. 5:23). The late Dr. Pierson distinguished between them thus: "The spirit is capable of God-consciousness; the soul is the seat of self-consciousness; the body of sense-consciousness.’’ In the day that Adam sinned, he died spiritually. Physical death is the separation of the spirit from the body; spiritual death is the separation of the spirit from God. When Adam died, his spirit was not annihilated, but it was "alienated" from God. There was a fall. The spirit, the highest part of Adam’s complex being, no longer dominated; instead, it was degraded, it fell to the level of the soul, and ceased to function separately. Hence, today, the unregenerate man is dominated by his soul, which is the seat of lust, passion, emotion. But in the work of regeneration, the Word of God "pierces even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit," and the spirit is rescued from the lower level to which it has fallen, being brought back again into communion with God. The "spirit" being that part of man which is capable of communion with God, is light; the "soul" when it is not dominated and regulated by the spirit is in darkness, hence, in that part of the six days’ work of restoration which adumbrated the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, we read, "And God divided the light from the darkness."

6. "And God said, let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters . . . . and God called the firmament heaven" (Gen. 1:6, 8). This brings us to the second days work, and here, for the first time, we read that "God made" something (Gen. 1:7). This was the formation of the atmospheric heaven, the "firmament," named by God "heaven." That which corresponds to this in the new creation, is the impartation of a new nature. The one who is "born of the Spirit" becomes a "partaker of the Divine nature" (2 Pet. 1:4). Regeneration is not the improvement of the flesh, or the cultivation of the old nature; it is the reception of an altogether new and heavenly nature. It is important to note that the "firmament" was produced by the Word, for, again we read, "And God said." So it is by the written Word of God that the new birth is produced, "Of His own will begat He us with the Word of truth"(Jam. 1:18). And again, "being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God" (1 Pet. 1:23).

7. "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God said. Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself" (Gen. 1:9-11). These verses bring before us God’s work on the third day, and in harmony with the meaning of this numeral we find that which clearly speaks of resurrection. The earth was raised out of the waters which had submerged it, and then it was clothed with vegetation. Where before there was only desolation and death, life and fertility now appeared. So it is in regeneration. The one who was dead in trespasses and sins, has been raised to walk in newness of life. The one who was by the old creation "in Adam," is now by new creation "in Christ." The one who before produced nothing but dead works, is now fitted to bring forth fruit to the glory of God.
 

Winman

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How nice. Such flowery language used. Then he tells us we should change the scriptures, that Gen 1:2 should say "became" instead of "was". Reminds me of someone else in Genesis chapter 3 who changed the word of God.

Gappers believe the entire world was destroyed, killing everything (except Satan and the angels it was supposed to kill). But this disagrees with the words of Jesus himself.

Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Jesus here is speaking of the tribulation to come. It shall be the most terrible affliction the world has ever suffered from the beginning of the creation (Gen 1:1) unto this time (the present) neither shall be (the future). But notice some people will be saved.

If the Gappers are correct, then when the world was destroyed between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 it was worse than Noah's flood where 8 people survived, and it was worse than the tribulation to come where some will survive. Because Gappers claim no one survived.

2. "And the earth became without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." Some fearful catastrophe must have occurred. Sin had dared to raise its horrid head against God, and with sin came death and all its attendant evils. The fair handiwork of the Creator was blasted.........

Big problem here. The scriptures teach that sin and death came into the world by Adam.

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.


Gappers teach there was sin and death in the world before Adam. The scriptures teach Adam introduced sin and death into the world.
 
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kyredneck

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Winman, you don't know anything about Pink, do you. If you did, you would not be railing against him.

Are you really a Baptist?
 

Grasshopper

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There is a big difference. In Genesis we are given the creation account day by day. And the scriptures clearly say God created the heavens and the earth in six days.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.



The "gap" is concerned with Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, not gaps between the days.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

But the seventy weeks of Daniel are not presented like this. They are seperated into 7 weeks, then, 62 weeks, then 1 week.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

They are presented just as the "days" of Genesis are presented. The "week" of Genisis is divided into 7 days. There are no gaps inbetween the days. Daniel's 70 weeks are presented in a similar manner:

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

It would be absurd to put a "gap" inbetween the 6th day and 7th day of creation, yet dispies do exactly that when they come to the 70 weeks of Daniel. They put a gap inbetween the 69th and 70th week of Daniel. On what basis?



The scriptures themselves clearly show the 70 weeks of Daniel divided into three seperate divisions of 7 weeks, 62 weeks, and 1 week.

Consecutive weeks can be divided for a purpose but doesn't mean they contain gaps. Just as creation account is divided into 7 days. Doesn't mean we can insert a gap.

You cannot use Daniel 9 to argue there was a gap in the 6 day creation account of Genesis.

Actually if one can insert gaps in the 70 weeks one could just as easily insert gaps into the days of Genesis. But again, no one is suggesting inserting gaps in the days of Genesis. I do not hold to the gap theory however it is much easier to insert a gap in between Gen 1:1-2 than to insert a gap in the 70 weeks.

Yet many on this thread insist that you cannot put a gap in Genesis, here are some of the statements:

It appears to me by the plain reading of Genesis 1:1-2 that no gap is implied.

The bible doesn't say theres a gap, therfore it would be reading inot it what isn't there making up scripture to suit man, not God.

No, there is no gap. It is not implied at all by the passage. It is read into it by a mindset that presupposes Darwinian Evolution to be true.

The gap theory....one of the dumbest things ever said. There are often two arguments by those who support this idiocy.

I do not believe from the text that Gap theory is implied.

Gap Theory is usually held by dispensationalists


Now take those statements over to Daniel 9. Why all of the sudden a change? I think Annsni sums it up best:

It is eisegesis to bring to the text what is not there from outside sources. There is no evidence for a "gap" anywhere in Scripture.

So many who insist there can be no gap in Genesis 1 (because it might upset their view of the Doctrine of Creation) have no problem inserting a gap in Daniel 9 in order to prop up thier Doctrine of Eschatology.
 

preachinjesus

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Gappers teach there was sin and death in the world before Adam. The scriptures teach Adam introduced sin and death into the world.

I don't know many Gap Theory proponents but of the ones I do know none of them believe this.

It is interesting how much demonization is occuring over this issue. Maybe we should begin with the foundational things: where does the Gap Theory (or any other theory) hold the God isn't the Creator ex nihilo?
 

Winman

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Baloney. We know the last week of Daniel has not taken place.

Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


We know there were 7 weeks, and 69 weeks until Messiah was cut off (Jesus crucified). The last remaining week is future.

Jesus here confirms that the 7 year tribulation is the last week (when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by the prophet Daniel) in Matt 24:15.

You need to study your Bible and quit listening to men who say we should change the word of God.
 
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preachinjesus

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I am not sure what you mean by "possible" interpretations, but there is only one correct interpretation for this scripture or any other.

Oh, I disagree with that completely. There are a variety of interpretations for different Scriptures. Basic hermeneutical principles teach this, Scripture itself demonstrates this.

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We can't just decide what scripture means. It means what God says it means. Our duty is to study and ask God for wisdom to understand the scriptures.

Yeah, you're twisting the Peterine passage. First, not all Scripture is prophetic. Second, notice how the follow up verse speaks about the leading of the Holy Spirit. As we undertand and/or speak of Scripture it must be done so in a life conditioned by the Holy Spirit.

As for the openning of Genesis, I've stated my belief. (I noticed you snipped and sniped my post.) There are a number of acceptable interpretations of that passage as it relates to accepted Christian teaching that has been handed down by the Church since the day of Pentecost. :)
 
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