Gaza terrorism by Israel

[dad2]

Uh....no.

The issue is Israel is defending its citizens to include women, children and babies.

Defending? Blowing up say hundreds of apartments in a heavily populated area is defending?

Hopefully citizens in Palestine will listen to Israel's warnings and follow their instructions to leave areas where weapons are being stored.

Who is to say if weapons are really there? How do they know there are missiles in an apartment exactly? And even if some nutball put some in his apartment who says you can then kill everyone in the building? You thought that was a free pass? How about get everyone out of the building and check??

Your plan is to sacrifice Jewish women and children so that people will not have to leave the area and go to another location in Gaza and then sacrifice all of the Jews in Israel so that Palestinians can occupy the nation.

How it it sacrificing women and children to ask you not to blow up women and children? I am not sure about asking people to leave to occupy the land. Israel would not like that. But I suppose the folks they drove out didn't either.

 

[dad2]

False premise. Israel is not targeting civilians. They are targeting buildings that housed weapons and from which rockets were fired in preparation for a ground assault.

Perhaps you simply got confused. It was Hamas who targeted civilians, not military structures, decapitated children, kidnapped citizens.

How about getting the people out first? Dropping a supposed leaflet demanding a million people evacuate into a bombed out war zone under heavy attack still is not getting anyone out. You go in there and go floor to floor knocking on doors with water and food and escort people out, having a safe place..tents city or whatever set up to temporarily receive them. You don't blow the flipping building up!

 

[JonC]

Defending? Blowing up say hundreds of apartments in a heavily populated area is defending?


Who is to say if weapons are really there? How do they know there are missiles in an apartment exactly? And even if some nutball put some in his apartment who says you can then kill everyone in the building? You thought that was a free pass? How about get everyone out of the building and check??


How it it sacrificing women and children to ask you not to blow up women and children? I am not sure about asking people to leave to occupy the land. Israel would not like that. But I suppose the folks they drove out didn't either.

Destroying buildings housing weapons before beginning a ground assault? Yes, that is common practice. Thankfully Israel urges citizens to leave those areas prior to attacking them.

No, countries do not send in troops to clear buildings before attacking the buildings in order to make it safer to send in ground troops. That is not logical.

They warn citizens to move from buildings identified as being used for military purposes. Then they attack those structures. Then send in troops.

Israel is not asking to occupy the land. Israel is trying to stop the killing of its citizens by a ln enemy who wants to occupy their land.

 

[JonC]

How about getting the people out first? Dropping a supposed leaflet demanding a million people evacuate into a bombed out war zone under heavy attack still is not getting anyone out. You go in there and go floor to floor knocking on doors with water and food and escort people out, having a safe place..tents city or whatever set up to temporarily receive them. You don't blow the flipping building up!

Lol.....yea, right.

Send in people to go floor to floor making sure children were not left behind and then take out the buildings to make it safe to send in ground troops.

Yes....makes sense...

 

[JonC]

Bottom line - Israel was attacked. Hamas (the governing body of the Gaza Strip) sent rockets into Israel targeting civilians. They sent Hamas soldiers to slaughter civilians at a music festival celebrating a holiday. They sent soldiers to kill women and children. They decapitated children. They kidnapped people.

Israel responded by announcing that they were going to root out and destroy Hamas. They sent flyers, messages by cellular public announcement, television announcements pleading with citizens to vacate buildings Hamas were using for terroristic activities.

Israel attacked these buildings stating that they were preparing to send in ground troops.


Israel never attacked Palestinian unprovoked. But over the past decade they have lost civilians due to repeated attacks. This was the worse attack.

Israel is neighbored by people who have purposed to eradicate the Jewish nation.

Israel is justified in its response.


People who present Israel as the perpetrator are antisemitic whether they admit to it or not. The reason is they deny that Jewish people, Jewish children, Jewish babies, are worth defending. They would be more content to allow the extinction of the Jewish race than see war where there are always civilian casualties.

We are seeing a rise of Nazism (not using this as a fallacy, but literally the rise of Nazism). Decades ago I would not dream US and Canadian citizens, much less Christians, would side with terrorists over Israel. But here we are.

 

[Revmitchell]

Explain how that works. If they target 100 apartment building with people in a heavily populated area...you are not really targeting?

How it works is their target is Hamas who is hiding weapons and terrorists in those building. No one likes the loss of innocent lives but you personally do not get to assign who their target is.

 

[Revmitchell]

How about getting the people out first? Dropping a supposed leaflet demanding a million people evacuate into a bombed out war zone under heavy attack still is not getting anyone out. You go in there and go floor to floor knocking on doors with water and food and escort people out, having a safe place..tents city or whatever set up to temporarily receive them. You don't blow the flipping building up!

Sigh, have you ever fought in or been trained in urban warfare? Apparently not else you wouldn't be saying such ridiculous things

 

[dad2]

Destroying buildings housing weapons before beginning a ground assault? Yes, that is common practice. Thankfully Israel urges citizens to leave those areas prior to attacking them.

What's the rush? Do you need to blow up apartments before going in by ground? If so, stay out!

No, countries do not send in troops to clear buildings before attacking the buildings in order to make it safer to send in ground troops. That is not logical.

If you check a building and it is safe why would anyone then blow it up??

They warn citizens to move from buildings identified as being used for military purposes. Then they attack those structures. Then send in troops.

So why would anyone trust what they 'identify' as having weapons? Bush identified Iraq remember? It was false. Now if you go in and actually check, well we would know. They folks could also go home after the check.

Israel is not asking to occupy the land.

Great, so after every building is safety checked ans sealed as safe they can leave.

Israel is trying to stop the killing of its citizens by a ln enemy who wants to occupy their land.

Hey who would blame Israel for not wanting to occupy that place they created and fenced off! No problem. Check for weapons, be nice to the people don't kill hundreds of children and we all live happily ever after.

 

[dad2]

How it works is their target is Hamas who is hiding weapons and terrorists in those building. No one likes the loss of innocent lives but you personally do not get to assign who their target is.

Someone targets the apartment buildings or they would not all be rubble now..

 

[dad2]

Sigh, have you ever fought in or been trained in urban warfare? Apparently not else you wouldn't be saying such ridiculous things

I hate to take the fun out of war by not allowing the mass killing of kids but what other way is there?

 

[JonC]

What's the rush? Do you need to blow up apartments before going in by ground? If so, stay out!


If you check a building and it is safe why would anyone then blow it up??

So why would anyone trust what they 'identify' as having weapons? Bush identified Iraq remember? It was false. Now if you go in and actually check, well we would know. They folks could also go home after the check.

Great, so after every building is safety checked ans sealed as safe they can leave.

Hey who would blame Israel for not wanting to occupy that place they created and fenced off! No problem. Check for weapons, be nice to the people don't kill hundreds of children and we all live happily ever after.

Ok......let's be more honest

Your complaint is that Israel targeted buildings used to launch rockets at Israel.

Then Israel warned civilians to leave other areas used by the terrorists because they would strike them before going in on the ground.

Your objection has nothing to do with saving the lives of children as the result would be more lives lost. It has to do with the devaluation of a race of people.

 

[dad2]

Ok......let's be more honest

Your complaint is that Israel targeted buildings used to launch rockets at Israel.

Then Israel warned civilians to leave other areas used by the terrorists because they would strike them before going in on the ground.

Your objection has nothing to do with saving the lives of children as the result would be more lives lost. It has to do with the devaluation of a race of people.

Mostly women and children were killed while trying to flee in a convoy.
Dozens killed while fleeing Gaza homes as Israel conducts ground raids

I conclude that Israel today in it's unsaved state does not have the love of God in them.Like Jesus said long ago.

 

[JonC]

Mostly women and children were killed while trying to flee in a convoy.
Dozens killed while fleeing Gaza homes as Israel conducts ground raids

I conclude that Israel today in it's unsaved state does not have the love of God in them.Like Jesus said long ago.

Um....Israel (the country we are talking about....that is defending itself against Hamas) is comprised of Jesus (mostly), Muslims, and other religious sects. Their military is comprised of Jews, Muslims, and other groups of people.

I am not saying this is a holy war. I am saying that Israel is justified in its defence.

Yes.....citizens will be killed. This happens in war. But unlike Hamas, Israel is not specifically targeting civilians and decapitating children.

I know you would rather have a war where people are not killed. I would as well. But then there is reality.

Israel needs to do what it can to prevent as much as possible these attacks in the future.

You disagree, but your solution leads to even more deaths. That is not logical.

And the whole point of Hamas' use of civilians is to get them killed. People (like you here) will depend on Hamas for their information. Civilians will be killed.

Israel has urged civilians to evacuate. Hamas has urged them to remain.

 

[Revmitchell]

Someone targets the apartment buildings or they would not all be rubble now..

They are targeting the enemy that attacked Israel who is in those buildings. They are targeting the missiles, weapons, and ammo that is in those buildings. Again you do not get to decide who or what their target its. It appears you are working to put the worst possible spin on this to place Israel in the worst possible light. What is the purpose in this thread? Are you trying to change someone's mind? Are you just wanting to get in an argument? Are you just trying to spew left wing propaganda?

 

[dad2]

Um....Israel (the country we are talking about....that is defending itself against Hamas) is comprised of Jesus (mostly), Muslims, and other religious sects. Their military is comprised of Jews, Muslims, and other groups of people.

No longer can it be claimed they are defending themselves when they have destroyed families and apartments and convoys escaping etc. It is mass murder with the excuse of finding Hamas members. Would they even know what one looked like if they found one??

I am not saying this is a holy war. I am saying that Israel is justified in its defence.

That ship has sailed. Not a serious proposition anymore. They have killed too many innocents. *regardless of what they may like to call their victims)

Yes.....citizens will be killed. This happens in war. But unlike Hamas, Israel is not specifically targeting civilians and decapitating children.

Nothing like this usually. The issue is also that many preachers claim Israel are His people brought there already by Him and that He fights with them in their wars etc. That is now obviously a lie.

Israel needs to do what it can to prevent as much as possible these attacks in the future

. That says nothing. What, they need to kill kids so they don't grow up as a danger to them? Either they should have somehow found the actual enemy of stayed home. The name of the game is not 'blow up as much of Gaza or the west bank as possible so that there are less people that might not like us in the future'

You disagree, but your solution leads to even more deaths. That is not logical.

My solution was to accept their Messiah. That would instantly lead to Him protecting them and restoring them to that land etc. As for the bombing of families, I said that is bad. Christians should know this and not try to justify it.

And the whole point of Hamas' use of civilians is to get them killed.

Whatever those few fanatics may or may nor want doesn't matter. No one should have to tell us not to blow up people in apartments in heavily populated areas! No one needs Hamas to chime in on that.

People (like you here) will depend on Hamas for their information. Civilians will be killed.

If Hamas was killing them you might have a point. Hamas killed Israelis. You call not coming out of some apartments killing all the other folks in those apartments! No. If you want to sift the people one by one and vet them and arrest any Hamas members, fine. Don't wipe out the entire apartment!

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Israel has urged civilians to evacuate. Hamas has urged them to remain.

Totally unrealistic charade. Even asking such a thing in the area they are bombarding is evil. Then to kill convoys fleeing by air exposes what is really happening here. Terrorism.

 

[dad2]

They are targeting the enemy that attacked Israel who is in those buildings. They are targeting the missiles, weapons, and ammo that is in those buildings. Again you do not get to decide who or what their target its. It appears you are working to put the worst possible spin on this to place Israel in the worst possible light. What is the purpose in this thread? Are you trying to change someone's mind? Are you just wanting to get in an argument? Are you just trying to spew left wing propaganda?

No. You don't know who is in the plethora of apartments you blew up. If you did know there were actual terrorists in there, arrest them as you evacuate the building. Blowing the whole thing up is an absolute atrocity and evil.

 

[Revmitchell]

No. You don't know who is in the plethora of apartments you blew up. If you did know there were actual terrorists in there, arrest them as you evacuate the building. Blowing the whole thing up is an absolute atrocity and evil.

You speak of things of which you do not know. You think you can oversimplify this and then use that to condemn them. Have you been trained and or been involved in urban warfare? If you had you would not be saying such things. And why did you not answer my questions?

 

[Revmitchell]

No. You don't know who is in the plethora of apartments you blew up. If you did know there were actual terrorists in there, arrest them as you evacuate the building. Blowing the whole thing up is an absolute atrocity and evil.

What is the purpose in this thread? Are you trying to change someone's mind? Are you just wanting to get in an argument? Are you just trying to spew left wing propaganda?

 

[dad2]

You speak of things of which you do not know. You think you can oversimplify this and then use that to condemn them. Have you been trained and or been involved in urban warfare? If you had you would not be saying such things. And why did you not answer my questions?

What training is needed to know it is absurd to ask a million people in a heavy war zone to move? What training is needed to know blowing up apartment after apartment is evil? None. It is patently obvious. If anyone trains people to do that they need retraining fast.

 

[Scarlett O.]

"Hatred of Jews throughout the world will turn people against Israel every single time, no matter what they do or how they do it."
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[JonC]

No longer can it be claimed they are defending themselves when they have destroyed families and apartments and convoys escaping etc. It is mass murder with the excuse of finding Hamas members. Would they even know what one looked like if they found one??



That ship has sailed. Not a serious proposition anymore. They have killed too many innocents. *regardless of what they may like to call their victims)


Nothing like this usually. The issue is also that many preachers claim Israel are His people brought there already by Him and that He fights with them in their wars etc. That is now obviously a lie.


. That says nothing. What, they need to kill kids so they don't grow up as a danger to them? Either they should have somehow found the actual enemy of stayed home. The name of the game is not 'blow up as much of Gaza or the west bank as possible so that there are less people that might not like us in the future'

My solution was to accept their Messiah. That would instantly lead to Him protecting them and restoring them to that land etc. As for the bombing of families, I said that is bad. Christians should know this and not try to justify it.


Whatever those few fanatics may or may nor want doesn't matter. No one should have to tell us not to blow up people in apartments in heavily populated areas! No one needs Hamas to chime in on that.
If Hamas was killing them you might have a point. Hamas killed Israelis. You call not coming out of some apartments killing all the other folks in those apartments! No. If you want to sift the people one by one and vet them and arrest any Hamas members, fine. Don't wipe out the entire apartment!

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Totally unrealistic charade. Even asking such a thing in the area they are bombarding is evil. Then to kill convoys fleeing by air exposes what is really happening here. Terrorism.

Sure they can say they are defending themselves. The Hamas military structure uses civilian buildings.

The difference is between Hamas' targeting civilians and Israel killing civilians while targeting military structures.

If Israel were to target civilians their focus would not be specifically on areas known to house the Hamas military structure.

Look ...you are anti-Israel. I got that even before you based your argument on Hamas statements. That is your right. I have no problem with your position.

But you are also posting odd things....like have Israel enter the Hamas controlled areas, go door to door making sure no civilians are in buildings, then target the buildings so that ground troops can enter.


What would I like to see?

I would like to see the civilian Palestinians evacuate out of North Gaza. I realize this would require relocating about 15 to 20 miles south (preferably more), but it would be the ideal result.

Then I would like to see Israel level the area, remove all of Hamas' infrastructure. Then I'd like to see another government installed that will not choose to attack and kill Israel's civilians every few months.


I believe that is better than your solution, which is peace through genocide.