Generational Failure

[Luke2427]

If you were an adult in the early sixties to late seventies, you should know that your generation LOST this nation.

The way you did church FAILED.

Now that does not apply to EVERY SINGLE church and Christian of that generation, but it does apply to the generation by and large.

It's time for you to take responsibility and to pass the torch and let the younger generation get started cleaning up the mess you left us.

I know that's going to make some of you angry, but it may be the fact that you GET angry over this rebuke that is INDICATIVE of the problem within you that CAUSED you to be the failure you have been.

You inherited a largely Christian nation and you left to us a largely APOSTATE nation.

You failed. Admit it and get out of our way.

Calvinism's resurgence in the last decade is CERTAINLY not the problem.

Christian contemporary music, though I dislike MOST of it, is not the problem.

The problem with this nation is not the homosexuals or the liberals and democrats- it is YOU. Judgment begins at the house of God. YOU are the problem.

Fundamentalists in that era became weird isolationists, almost cultic in nature failing miserably in the fulfillment of the great commission.

Academics in that area became theologically liberal.

And the few who did not go to either extreme did tremendously well with what they had. W. A. Criswell, Adrian Rogers, D. James Kennedy and others CONDEMNED their "Christian" generation and rightly so- because those few had to carry the torch to us with little help from MOST of the Christian adults of their era.

Now it is time for you to admit your failure, humble yourselves and be willing to acknowledge that the ideals you promoted should rapidly be replaced with fresh biblical ideas.

When we younger folks hear you talk about Still Standing for the Old Paths, we cringe. Because we know that you know very little about the Old Paths. What you mean by Old Paths is what you liked when you were a kid.

You are not trying to preserve the Old Biblical Paths- you are trying to preserve a culture THAT LOST THIS NATION.

Stop. Let it die. It needs to. Pass the torch that you have let dwindle to a faint flicker before it goes out altogether.

Thanks.

 

[Aaron]

Dude, you're heading for an education. It will be costly. You will be sadder, but you will be wiser.

I just hope I'm there to see it.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Wow. We allow ranting and raving, but usually there is a purpose.

Thankfuilly, THIS is not the mindset of everyone in a thankless and clueless generation.

 

[Luke2427]

Dude, you're heading for an education. It will be costly. You will be sadder, but you will be wiser.

I just hope I'm there to see it.

Specifics please.

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[Luke2427]

Wow. We allow ranting and raving, but usually there is a purpose.

Thankfuilly, THIS is not the mindset of everyone in a thankless and clueless generation.

The purpose is stated very clearly.

The ideals of the generation in question FAILED. They need to be replaced. How did you not see that purpose in the op?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The purpose is stated very clearly.

The ideals of the generation in question FAILED. They need to be replaced. How did you not see that purpose in the op?

Honestly, it looks like you are playing a blame game. There are many in that age bracket who have both contended for & labored for the faith. You have to show them some respect while laboring of your own accord to affect change.

 

[preachinjesus]

lol...oh my.

Luke, dude, you seriously need to take a chill pill and relax man. Wow.

 

[DHK]

If you were an adult in the early sixties to late seventies, you should know that your generation LOST this nation.

The way you did church FAILED.

Now that does not apply to EVERY SINGLE church and Christian of that generation, but it does apply to the generation by and large.

It's time for you to take responsibility and to pass the torch and let the younger generation get started cleaning up the mess you left us.

I know that's going to make some of you angry, but it may be the fact that you GET angry over this rebuke that is INDICATIVE of the problem within you that CAUSED you to be the failure you have been.

You inherited a largely Christian nation and you left to us a largely APOSTATE nation.

You failed. Admit it and get out of our way.

Calvinism's resurgence in the last decade is CERTAINLY not the problem.

Christian contemporary music, though I dislike MOST of it, is not the problem.

The problem with this nation is not the homosexuals or the liberals and democrats- it is YOU. Judgment begins at the house of God. YOU are the problem.

Fundamentalists in that era became weird isolationists, almost cultic in nature failing miserably in the fulfillment of the great commission.

Academics in that area became theologically liberal.

And the few who did not go to either extreme did tremendously well with what they had. W. A. Criswell, Adrian Rogers, D. James Kennedy and others CONDEMNED their "Christian" generation and rightly so- because those few had to carry the torch to us with little help from MOST of the Christian adults of their era.

Now it is time for you to admit your failure, humble yourselves and be willing to acknowledge that the ideals you promoted should rapidly be replaced with fresh biblical ideas.

When we younger folks hear you talk about Still Standing for the Old Paths, we cringe. Because we know that you know very little about the Old Paths. What you mean by Old Paths is what you liked when you were a kid.

You are not trying to preserve the Old Biblical Paths- you are trying to preserve a culture THAT LOST THIS NATION.

Stop. Let it die. It needs to. Pass the torch that you have let dwindle to a faint flicker before it goes out altogether.

Thanks.

The forum is Baptist Theology and Bible Study.
Don't see much of it here.

 

[Iconoclast]

Here is a sermon preached at the time;

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=317111030227

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

Agreed!

Wow. We allow ranting and raving, but usually there is a purpose.

Thankfuilly, THIS is not the mindset of everyone in a thankless and clueless generation.

Doc...I'm quoting YOUR post instead of the one above so I don't put the posters on this thread through another "reprint" of THAT one. Only someone who has no real grasp or clue about either church OR Biblical history could post something like that. I'm certainly NOT defending everything the "church" has done in the last few generations but I believe we are right on target in our generation as far as God is concerned according to His purposes in His "plan for the ages". God is sovereign and none of the current state of things takes Him by surprise. The Gospel is still what it has always been and we are still commanded to spread it the world over. That is the common thread that leads from Genesis to Revelation. Lukes "version" of what (he thinks)the church should be will fail just as miserably (if not more so) than the one he accuses us of being a part of. His attitude alone (particularly toward older folks) is the height of disrespect. To build or operate "the church" on the whims of contemporary "culture" instead of the dictates of scripture is sheer folly. Call me old-fashioned if you will....I gladly and thankfully accept the label. It sounds to me like he is calling for some form of spiritual EUTHANASIA. As much as I look forward to heaven I certainly don't want someone like him flipping the switch that sends me there. I REFUSE to abandon the truth and "get out of the way".

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

[awaken]

If you were an adult in the early sixties to late seventies, you should know that your generation LOST this nation.

The way you did church FAILED.

Now that does not apply to EVERY SINGLE church and Christian of that generation, but it does apply to the generation by and large.

It's time for you to take responsibility and to pass the torch and let the younger generation get started cleaning up the mess you left us.

I know that's going to make some of you angry, but it may be the fact that you GET angry over this rebuke that is INDICATIVE of the problem within you that CAUSED you to be the failure you have been.

You inherited a largely Christian nation and you left to us a largely APOSTATE nation.

You failed. Admit it and get out of our way.

Calvinism's resurgence in the last decade is CERTAINLY not the problem.

Christian contemporary music, though I dislike MOST of it, is not the problem.

The problem with this nation is not the homosexuals or the liberals and democrats- it is YOU. Judgment begins at the house of God. YOU are the problem.

Fundamentalists in that era became weird isolationists, almost cultic in nature failing miserably in the fulfillment of the great commission.

Academics in that area became theologically liberal.

And the few who did not go to either extreme did tremendously well with what they had. W. A. Criswell, Adrian Rogers, D. James Kennedy and others CONDEMNED their "Christian" generation and rightly so- because those few had to carry the torch to us with little help from MOST of the Christian adults of their era.

Now it is time for you to admit your failure, humble yourselves and be willing to acknowledge that the ideals you promoted should rapidly be replaced with fresh biblical ideas.

When we younger folks hear you talk about Still Standing for the Old Paths, we cringe. Because we know that you know very little about the Old Paths. What you mean by Old Paths is what you liked when you were a kid.

You are not trying to preserve the Old Biblical Paths- you are trying to preserve a culture THAT LOST THIS NATION.

Stop. Let it die. It needs to. Pass the torch that you have let dwindle to a faint flicker before it goes out altogether.

Thanks.

:thumbs::thumbs: I agree! Now we need to get back in line with what God wants!

 

[USN2Pulpit]

While there are some truths there in the post, we cannot simply blame our elders while we do very little to make a difference ourselves.

The scriptures remind us to "reject foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they breed quarrels." (2 Tim 2:23 HCSB)

Our mandate is not to point the finger of blame; it lies elsewhere - and the Word leaves little doubt as to what it is.

 

[Aaron]

Specifics please.

______________

Nah. If God has anything to do with you, you find out how little you know, how great is your own failure, and you will think back to my post, and you will say, He was right.

You're about to enter the School of Hard Knocks. Tuition due and extracted throughout the lesson.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Nah. If God has anything to do with you, you find out how little you know, how great is your own failure, and you will think back to my post, and you will say, He was right.

You're about to enter the School of Hard Knocks. Tuition due and extracted throughout the lesson.

Your not referencing Karma (what goes around comes around) methodology are you? Frankly its not Christian & little more than a scare tactic. He is a young man yet so I would have preferred direct dialogs to correct him, even if you have to take him to the wood shed.... not veiled threats. What are you thinking?!? PM the guy or something if you think he needs straighting out.

 

[Winman]

I agree with Luke!

 

[Herald]

It's time for you to take responsibility and to pass the torch and let the younger generation get started cleaning up the mess you left us.

I know that's going to make some of you angry, but it may be the fact that you GET angry over this rebuke that is INDICATIVE of the problem within you that CAUSED you to be the failure you have been.

Who are you to offer such a rebuke? Your pleading ignorance would be comical if it were not for the shame it reflects upon you. If you knew the scriptures you would have either re-phrased your post or kept your keys silent:

1 Timothy 5:1 Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father,

You are the one in need of rebuke for the sin of casting those older than you in negative light. I suggest you acquaint yourself with the 9th commandment.

 

[Scarlett O.]

"History is the story of events, with praise or blame." Cotton Mather

Certainly things have changed, not all for the better. Certainly the previous generation of church goers weren't perfect.

But in a bigger picture, I can see both society and the church evolving over the past centuries - in both good/productive ways and bad. I'm sure that my parents' generation probably looked back at my grandparents'/great-grandparents' church conduct and Christian walk and could point the finger to both blame and praise.

King Solomon said that there was nothing new under the sun.

Couldn't the new generation of Christians who are struggling with maturity be doing so because they are so blasted busy all the time with things that really don't matter?

Hasn't technology - which was supposed to have freed up our time for us to lead better lives - merely caused us to waste our time?

I think it's really and terribly harsh to say that my parents' generation is the reason that my students' generation is struggling with spiritual issues.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I agree with Luke!

Ah, the true face of PELAGIANISM! :laugh:

 

[Winman]

Ah, the true face of PELAGIANISM! :laugh:

The face of Calvinism (not a joke)

 

[percho]

Doc...I'm quoting YOUR post instead of the one above so I don't put the posters on this thread through another "reprint" of THAT one. Only someone who has no real grasp or clue about either church OR Biblical history could post something like that. I'm certainly NOT defending everything the "church" has done in the last few generations but I believe we are right on target in our generation as far as God is concerned according to His purposes in His "plan for the ages". God is sovereign and none of the current state of things takes Him by surprise. The Gospel is still what it has always been and we are still commanded to spread it the world over. That is the common thread that leads from Genesis to Revelation. Lukes "version" of what (he thinks)the church should be will fail just as miserably (if not more so) than the one he accuses us of being a part of. His attitude alone (particularly toward older folks) is the height of disrespect. To build or operate "the church" on the whims of contemporary "culture" instead of the dictates of scripture is sheer folly. Call me old-fashioned if you will....I gladly and thankfully accept the label. It sounds to me like he is calling for some form of spiritual EUTHANASIA. As much as I look forward to heaven I certainly don't want someone like him flipping the switch that sends me there. I REFUSE to abandon the truth and "get out of the way".

Bro.Greg:saint:

I believe we are right on target in our generation as far as God is concerned according to His purposes in His "plan for the ages".

We may well be and maybe Luke's generational church is the beginning of;

Rev. 3:14-22

I won't copy and paste.