What part of "paid license" do you not understand. Plus "an appeal for the evangelical vote. A $59.99 King James Version"
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What part of "paid license" do you not understand. Plus "an appeal for the evangelical vote. A $59.99 King James Version"
Like a need another KJV Bible
... I can hear the KJV on line... I can read the KJV on line... I have many KJV's in my bookcase... I have complete KJV by Alexander Scourby on CD at my disposal... I have a Thompson Chain Reference KJV and I have KJV references all over the place... Enough said... Brother Glen... I almost forgot, I have a Holman compact palm size KJV, I carry with me!
Yep. While they refused to disclose how much Trump was paid to endorse their Bible (and to use his name), the proceeds from the actual sale of the Bibles don't go to a Trump organization.
Yet another effort at denial of the obvious. No money that flows into DT coffers is ever excluded from allowing other DT money to flow in campaign funds. You cannot be that naive.
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It looks like a fund-raising effort plus an appeal for the evangelical vote. A $59.99 King James Version…..
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canadyjd
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The link says no money from the sales go to DT campaign or businesses.
Thank goodness we are discussing this!!!!!
Some might think other issues are important…. Like the crime wave, illegal immigration, inflation, abortion, war in Israel and Ukraine, radical trans ideology being pushed on kindergarteners, a 34 trillion $$$$ national debt….
But nooooooooo… DT endorsed the God bless US Bible!!! Let’s waste cyber space speculating on whether he got paid even though the link to the story says he didn’t.
TDS is alive and well in the US
peace to you
So what?
The reputation of the Bible is only worse for it. The Bible doesn't need endorsement from any political figure.
That is not an aid to understanding the Bible. It is merely a hymn of adoration to a competing kingdom (a kingdom that is passing away) placed in a Bible that might make uninformed readers think that the United States is somehow a favored nation in God's eyes.
That's a secular political document. It is not an aid to understanding the Bible. It is a distraction from the message of the Bible.
How is this different from the Constitution? The Bill of Rights is the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. It sounds like the creator(s) of this Bible don't understand the documents they are trying to revere, nor do they expect the folks who would likely purchase this Bible would know anything about the Constitution either. That tracks.
That's a political document. It is not an aid to understanding the Bible. It is a distraction from the message of the Bible.
That's a political pledge, written by Francis Bellamy, a socialist. It is not an aid to understanding the Bible. It is a distraction from the message of the Bible.
(1) It is blasphemous. One should not equate the Kingdom of God with the corrupted kingdoms of this earth.
(2) It is an attempt to separate the gullible from their money by offering them all public domain content in an overpriced format - literally wrapped in an American flag cover.
(3) It reveals a lack of respect for the scriptures by those who have created and pitched this book.
(4) I'm amazed that there are some Christian leaders who defend this. That shows the deep rot in some parts of the church.
(5) "There's a sucker born every minute." - attributed to P.T. Barnum
canadyjd
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FTR, I have not defended this Bible. I have attempted to correct the misunderstanding DT is making money on it.
Not sure I agree with you that it is “blasphemous”, but the rest of your comments are valid.
Good to see you posting again, BB
peace to you
I think of the money changers in the Temple...only worse.
The profits go to the company making the Bible. But Trump made money on selling his image and endorsement. That is bad enough.
I agree that making the Bible political is, perhaps, blasphemous. It certainly is anti- Christian.
The main thing it shows, IMHO, is the political pandering and blatant usage of Christianity for political gain.
canadyjd
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What is your source for the statement that DT made money selling his image and endorsement for this Bible?
I agree with your last statement. It is clearly political pandering to Christians, but that doesn’t mean DT isn’t sincere with his support, nor does it make him unique among politicians.
It seems, imho, the outrage is over DT doing it. If it’s Billy Graham or Franklin Graham or John Mac or other religious leaders doing it, it doesn’t seem to be blasphemous no matter what they are saying.
Please don’t tell me that religious leaders putting their names on a Bible and selling it for profit is ok, but DT endorsing a Bible that doesn’t have his name in it (probably a surprise to many) is blasphemous.
peace to you
The refusal of the company to disclose the amount for using Trump's image. Technically it could be nothing...
But why keep that confidential?
Also, it is not better to gain in political capital (try to).
Trump has been fairly outspoken about seeking his image (the perfume, vodka, shoes....).
I will never tell you that religious leaders putting their names on Bibles is ok. So you don't have to worry about that.
Is it blasphemous? IMHO, yes. It is making God's Word common. But a lot of that also has to d9 with my view of secular powers.
canadyjd
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So, you admit you are simply speculating that DT was paid for the endorsement. That means your statement as if it were fact that DT was paid for the endorsement is misinformation, correct?
Yeah, it’s misinformation, imho
peace to you
No. When asked it was presented as an "undisclosed sum" with the proceeds from the actual sell of tge Bibles not going to Trump.
But that is not my issue with the Bible. If they want to use Trump's image then I don't fault Trump at all. It's business.
The issue I have is with politics using religion (especially Chriatianity since I am a Christian).
I understand Bibles with commentaries selling with the connectors name (like the MacArthur Bible). I don't like it, but I can be at peace with that practice.
I cannot, however, advocate Bibles that are linked to a specific nationalism by virtue of patriotism to that nation. While I am patriotic, I do not believe such practices of marrying Scripture to secular governments is appropriate.
I believe you mistook my criticism of that Bible to be a criticism of Trump. It is not. In fact, it is exactly where I thought a GOP leader would arrive at some point.
My criticism is of the "God Bless The USA Bible" in general.
From a political standpoint it is pandering. Politics has already infiltrated our churches to the point I believe many churches have moved from lukewarm to dead (both conservative and liberal political churches).
From a logical standpoint - and from looking around at our nation - I cannot think of a reason God should bless the US.
canadyjd
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Ok, thanks for clarifying.
I still believe it’s not particularly a pressing issue, with everything else going on.
peace to you
To me it isn't pressing in a national sence, just an example of what many have cautioned of in the past (the merging of secular politics and Christianity).
I believe it is perhaps more pressing in churches.
We seem to have two types of luke-warm to dead "churches" in our nation based on secular politics.
On one hand we have the well established social justice "Christianity" (these would be described as liberal leaning organizations).
On the other hand we have conservative "Christianity" which worships nationalistic values void of Christ (secular politics, make the world adopt good values). This has been around for some time, but has become a stronger political force...probably due to how far the other side has gone.
So I would say that it is a pressing issue in churches (nothing to do, really, with Trump) because it speaks to the very nature and purpose of the church.
But in regards to secular politics.....I agree. Who cares? The left panders to the poor and minorities and uses them for their political gain. Why shouldn't the right do the same with Christians? It's politics.
I was not referring to you or any specific person on Baptistboard. I have just read statements on Twitter and from persons in the media.
I would essentially say same the same thing if they were endorsing/pitching this product.
Please don’t tell me that religious leaders putting their names on a Bible and selling it for profit is ok, but DT endorsing a Bible that doesn’t have his name in it (probably a surprise to many) is blasphemous.[/QUOTE]
I own a MacArther Study Bible for reference purposes (I strongly disagree with the man's theology and many of his actions), but I recognize that the purpose of the MacArthur Study Bible is to provide helps to understanding and interpreting the Bible according to MacArthur's theology. I am unaware of Franklin Graham promoting any sort of specific Bible (study Bible or otherwise), but I wouldn't be critical of him doing it if it was a Bible intended to help people understand the scriptures, even though I think Franklin Graham does more harm than good.
The issue is that the "God Bless the USA Bible" exists to fleece people of their money and to tie American political documents to the scriptures. While the Mormons believe and teach that the U.S. Constitution is divinely ordained (one has to wonder about all the amendments), Christians should know better and understand that it was crafted by human hands as an intentionally secular document.
I agree.
And there is a huge difference between the Bibles.
The MacArthur Study Bible (I do not own one) is named to identify the commentary.
The God Bless The USA Bible is a hijacking of God's Word.
As far as "blasphemous" goes, I can certainly see how the table fits given the information provided:
"First and foremost, The God Bless The USA Bible is the ONLY Bible inspired by America’s most recognized patriotic anthem, God Bless The USA."
Foolishness
This is weird marketing speak, straight from the website.
What do you think they mean by "The USA Bible is the ONLY Bible inspired by ... God Bless the USA?"
Are they saying the Biblical text is inspired by Lee Greenwood's anthem? Probably not.
Are they saying the King James translation is inspired by Lee Greenwood's anthem? That would be ridiculous, since we rebelled against the British state (and church).
Are they saying this particular collection of public domain texts slapped together between an American flag cover was inspired by a marketing gimmick around a popular patriotic anthem to make a fast buck by selling a religious totem to those who will buy anything that a certain former President pitches? Probably so, but in less direct words.
I wonder if it is manufactured in China. The official site originally made the claim that it was printed in the United States, but that claim has disappeared (as far as I can tell) since the product launch.
It also seems weird that Lee Greenwood didn't want to include our official National Anthem in the Bible. Maybe if Trump manages to get into office in 2025, Trump supporters will demand that "The Star Spangled Banner" will get tossed in favor of "God Bless the USA?"